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The Ex-CIA Agents Deciding Facebook’s Content Policy

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> The article gives its sources, and I can go to Linkedin myself to verify its veracity. So? If they're willing to publish false or fabricated information to push their conspiracy theories, they're almost certainly willing to do other misleading things to push it too -- like making a mountain out of a molehill or giving some mundane fact a sinister spin.

this particular report is accurate.

> this particular report is accurate.

You missed my point: something can present accurate facts in a highly misleading way.

People who've worked for the government get jobs outside of government, usually in similar areas. There's nothing sinister about it, but articles like this want it to seem sinister.

And frankly, this is like 1/10th of a story. They found some profiles on LinkedIn, but so what? Have these people actually done anything unacceptable? MintPress doesn't know.

Re: The Ex-CIA Agents Deciding Facebook’s Content Policy

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The great firewall of China prevents most of their citizens from seeing news that isn’t the party line. And if you share it you face criminal charges. Not to mention their social ranking system. It’s ridiculous to say the US media is almost as heavily controlled as China.

> The great firewall of China prevents most of their citizens from seeing news that isn’t the party line Totally not like how access to Russian news outlets has been blocked by parts of the West.

Just pointing out that there was a shadow edit to this comment. It used to say Russian need outlets were blocked by the West.

It isn't actually blocked in the US

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I just browsed Russia Today without a VPN. I'm in the US

> I'm in the US That's great. The block is in the EU. Which is in...the West.

The US is in the west so clearly "the west" hasn't blocked them. A subset of European countries have.

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If you were previously part of an organization that violates human rights, I have every right to hold it against you.

This is a company of 60k people. Take issue with their hiring sure, but using the hiring of a couple staffers who are former govt data analysts (these aren't Jason Bourne/blackwater types) to define the company is silly. Now if we are looking at Tiktok's parent company, which has CCP members on their board, I think it is more fair question the motives of the company there.

cia is an organization that uses torture (among other unethical things). if you ever worked for such an organization, I'm not even looking at rest of your cv. your ethics are clearly lacking.

Re: The Ex-CIA Agents Deciding Facebook’s Content Policy

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The grandparent made the broad generalization not the person you are replying to. They said the "west" is blocking RT. It might stun you to learn that the US is part of the west and isn't blocking RT. I don't want to stun you too much, but the west is not some uniform block of countries.

> It might stun you to learn that the US is part of the west and isn't blocking RT. Golly gee, you sure got me there on that! Let's rephrase to "parts of the West", what impact does that have on the argument that Western powers engage in media censorship as well? > I don't want to stun you too much, but the west is not some uniform block of countries. LOL. You understand it is _literally_ called the "Western Bloc", r…

The original comment was "Totally not like how access to Russian news outlets has been blocked by the West."

This statement is factually incorrect. I don't see where that argument was actually made.

But sure, some western countries have a level of censorship, yes, but that still doesn't approach the level of China.

And just because there is a wiki entry called western bloc, doesn't mean the western countries are uniform. The US is pretty well known for having broad, but not absolute, protections for freedom of speech.

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this particular report is accurate.

> this particular report is accurate. You missed my point: something can present accurate facts in a highly misleading way. People who've worked for the government get jobs outside of government, usually in similar areas. There's nothing sinister about it, but articles like this want it to seem sinister. And frankly, this is like 1/10th of a story. They found some profiles on LinkedIn, but so what? Have these people…

Would it be ok if Facebook hired someone who was part of the Sinaloa Cartel?

If you hire ex-CIA, that tells me everything about your ethics (or lack there of).

Re: The Ex-CIA Agents Deciding Facebook’s Content Policy

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> this particular report is accurate. You missed my point: something can present accurate facts in a highly misleading way. People who've worked for the government get jobs outside of government, usually in similar areas. There's nothing sinister about it, but articles like this want it to seem sinister. And frankly, this is like 1/10th of a story. They found some profiles on LinkedIn, but so what? Have these people…

Would it be ok if Facebook hired someone who was part of the Sinaloa Cartel? If you hire ex-CIA, that tells me everything about your ethics (or lack there of).

> Would it be ok if Facebook hired someone who was part of the Sinaloa Cartel?

The CIA (which I understand the bulk is actually writing analysis reports and stuff like that), the FBI, USAID, and the Marines are not drug cartels; and to conflate them is not reasonable.

Re: The Ex-CIA Agents Deciding Facebook’s Content Policy

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If you were previously part of an organization that violates human rights, I have every right to hold it against you.

This is a company of 60k people. Take issue with their hiring sure, but using the hiring of a couple staffers who are former govt data analysts (these aren't Jason Bourne/blackwater types) to define the company is silly. Now if we are looking at Tiktok's parent company, which has CCP members on their board, I think it is more fair question the motives of the company there.

So its OK when Facebook does it but bad when tiktok does it?

Re: The Ex-CIA Agents Deciding Facebook’s Content Policy

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I have no love for Facebook but this is article is such poor and yellow journalism.

>"Aaron is CIA. Or at least he was until July 2019."

The first sentence is false. The second sentence contradicts and corrects the inaccuracy of the first but the order of operation is by design. The first sentence is designed to appeal the gut and produce a visceral response. The second sentence is of course the more important but cerebral thinking it at that point still dominated by the "gut" at the point.

The article then states:

>"These hires are primarily in highly politically sensitive sectors such as trust, security and content moderation, to the point where some might feel it becomes difficult to see where the U.S. national security state ends and Facebook begins."

These folks left public sector. They left their public sector jobs to join the private sector. The line literally ends and begins on their Linkedin profiles which appears to be the biggest source of research for this article.

Then we have this gem:

>"But the sheer scale of infiltration of Facebook blows these away. Facebook, in short, is utterly swarming with spooks."

CIA Analysts are not spooks. Despite the portrayal in TV dramas, CIA analysts spend their time at desks reading and writing reports. They are highly specialized subject matter experts, they don't make policy. They hand data to other people who make policy. A "spook" is an operative, a clandestine role for someone who would most certainly not have a LinkedIn profile.

The article seems to ignore the more obvious in favor of conspiracy, which is that Washington, D.C. is a small town famous for networking. People always use their networks for new and better employment opportunities. It's not hard to imagine that when the first person who arrived at Facebook from DC informed their former colleagues how great the pay and the perks at Facebook were and of course the floodgates opened. Think of how many Beltway Facebook groups there must be. This same scenario plays out at tech companies as well but nobody states "the company is being "infiltrated" by ex-Googlers or ex-Redhat, it's hard to tell where Google ends and company X begins" as that would be seen as absurd.

Lastly, nowhere are any numbers meaningfully qualified. The article intones about the "sheer scale of infiltration" but fails to mention that Facebook is a company of 44K employees or that the CIA employees 22K people. Now consider the total number of people the article identifies as ex-Government which is 37 people total, one of which is no longer there. I would imagine you could go to any large corporation on the scale of Facebook and find an equal number of people that used to work a federal agency. In fact I'm positive you could that using Linkedin as your source as well. I'm guessing that including the results of this kind of comparative analysis would have been detrimental to the thrust of this piece however.

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