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Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

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Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#41

Get people to agree with you first A slight twist to this: get people to say yes. My "success rate" (with approaching women) went up drastically when I changed the first words out of my mouth to " Can you hear me? ". I now ask this even when I know a woman doesn't have earphones on. Why does it work? I have a couple of guesses. It is a question that you can't help reply to. And inadvertently when you answer this ques…

Reminds me of a scene in Boiler Room:

Ask him questions. Ask him rhetorical questions. It doesn't matter, just get a 'yes' out of him.

If you were drowning and I threw you a life jacket, would you grab it? Yes. Good. Pick up 200 shares. I won't let you down. Ask him if he wants to see 30-40% returns. What's he gonna say, 'no, I don't want to see those returns'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izOIOvguncU&feature=relat... (possibly nsfw, language)

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#42

"13 things you can do right now to increase your conversion rate. #1: block the content." http://i.imgur.com/GTgzM.png

Conversion is action (not reading), so actually this works well. While I don't like popups as much as the next guy, its ridiculously effective. 80% of opt-ins come via popup (all double opt-in).

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#43
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It astonishes me that you're able to describe interactions with salespeople as being "harassed" yet can't understand how it could be construed as competitive. You make it sound like I'm drooling into a cup. So the competitiveness hypothesis resonates with you personally? Don't just imply that I'm stupid, explain to me what the competition actually is, and why I am automatically triggered into participating just bec…

I think the point is that to be harassed is to be engaged in a competition - for autonomy, freedom, time to make up your mind on your own etc.

I hope not, because that would be an extremely facile explanation. I don't think anybody, when asked to describe the feeling of being harassed, would describe it with anything resembling "I feel like I'm in a competition with another male for autonomy, freedom and time to make up my mind."

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#44
My wife is the Guadagno in Guadagno and Cialdini and if the reporting of her findings is any guide, ignore the rest of the article. Her findings were that women will not respond well to email unless there's an existing relationship. Men will respond better to email if there's an existing negative relationship, but it otherwise makes no difference.

The error is forgivable if the writer only read the title of the article.

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#46

Get people to agree with you first A slight twist to this: get people to say yes. My "success rate" (with approaching women) went up drastically when I changed the first words out of my mouth to " Can you hear me? ". I now ask this even when I know a woman doesn't have earphones on. Why does it work? I have a couple of guesses. It is a question that you can't help reply to. And inadvertently when you answer this ques…

Oh my God, you've just made "Can you hear me?" the most commonly used pick-up line in the south bay. ;)

Oh wow, sad that I could actually see that happening going by the gullible nature of the community. I'm pretty confident though that by the time its gone through the community's marketing machine, it will turn into some creepy move, available on DVD for $1,000.

Alas I got much out of the Bay Area scene back in the day so as long as the secret stays away from NYC I'm good :)

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#47
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we just don't want to deal with salespeople but instead judge the product on our own without being harassed. It astonishes me that you're able to describe interactions with salespeople as being "harassed" yet can't understand how it could be construed as competitive. (Not that the study you're dismissing has anything to do with salespeople... You'd be better off attacking the tenuous and speculative suggestion…

> It astonishes me that you're able to describe interactions with salespeople as being "harassed" yet can't understand how it could be construed as competitive. You make it sound like I'm drooling into a cup. So the competitiveness hypothesis resonates with you personally? Don't just imply that I'm stupid, explain to me what the competition actually is, and why I am automatically triggered into participating just bec…

You make it sound like I'm drooling into a cup.

I think you did that fine on your own, to be honest. The attitude expressed in your posts reeks of pride in ignorance. It's like you genuinely don't care what the truth might be, but don't want anybody to believe this could be anything close to it. You blast the study you didn't read as "unscientific trash" and yet rail against preconceptions while vividly illuminating your own. I did not think you were stupid, but I won't deny I think this thread a singular parade of foolishness.

Don't just imply that I'm stupid

I'm was not implying that you're stupid. Perhaps I should have said "don't" instead of "can't" understand. There may be many reasons why you don't see those interactions you call harassment as competitive that don't involve you being stupid. For instance: your definition of "competition" may have a much narrower scope than the one meant. You may also be conflating competition with antagonism or hostility, which doesn't necessarily follow.

explain to me what the competition actually is

The salesman has an incentive to get you buy, and when you buy, to spend more, because then he gets paid more. This is at cross purposes with your desire to spend less while still getting only what you want and nothing you don't want.

In a sense is a competition over your money, but as the salesman does not attempt to physically pry the money from your hands, it can better be though of as a competition over your will.

(All of this is more evident in situations where directly haggling over price is permitted. If you wanted an avenue with which to consider cultural factors, the variable global popularity of haggling vs. fixed prices would be one. But the basically competitive nature of bargaining in general seems, with the sole exception of you, to be uncontroversial.)

and why I am automatically triggered into participating just because I have a penis.

That's a straw man under construction. Nobody said anything about being "automatically triggered" or about having a penis causing you do anything. You're injecting your own preconceptions about what the cited study claims, just as you injected the scenario of dealing with salespeople.

I think I am attacking a piece of tenuous and speculative suggestion the author has made.

What you think and what you've written appear to be at odds. You attacked an entire field of study[1] and singled out the authors[2] of the particular study on the basis of the blogger's interpretation[3] of that study, which you didn't read[4], while providing no evidence at all beyond personally disagreeing with the implication that human behavior might have something to do with the human body.

The reason I call this a "monumentally tired argument" is that it's been lashed out like a giant reactionary noodle against every bit of evidence ever recorded that human behavior is anything more complicated than the things humans are consciously aware of then they behave.

[1]:"The entire field is known for making stuff up in a manner that is consistent with the cultural background and expectations of the study's authors." [2]: (I can't actually quote this because you edited your post to remove the part where you claimed the entire blog post was about selling Cialdini's book.) [3]: "...showed that men seem more responsive to email because it bypasses their competitive tendencies." (Which the study doesn't actually conclude.) [4]: "It costs $11 to read that thing and I assure you, nobody has read it (except maybe now that I said it out of spite). It looky like every other pop-psy study out there, many of which have been discredited over the years..."

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#48
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that to be harassed is to be engaged in a competition - for autonomy, freedom, time to make up your mind on your own etc.

I hope not, because that would be an extremely facile explanation. I don't think anybody, when asked to describe the feeling of being harassed, would describe it with anything resembling "I feel like I'm in a competition with another male for autonomy, freedom and time to make up my mind."

You've got it completely scrambled: Nobody is being asked to describe the feeling of being harassed. That was the word Udo chose to describe the feeling of dealing with a salesperson.

I simply found it odd (very odd) that someone who uses a word that denotes aggression or attack to describe that situation would simultaneously find it totally alien to think of it as competitive.

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#49
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might have been inadvertently employing the "disarming" technique used by pick up artists. "The Game" is an amazing book detailing the techniques used by pick up artists (and no, it's just for people who want to pick up ladies but more generally about influencing people).

As someone who has met a few of the people from The Game, I can tell you it's mostly crapware with very little to learn from. The basic flaw with The Game(and most of the games of the characters in it) is that they take this to such extreme that instead of becoming charming and attractive, you become a paranoid insecure jerk. That said, The Game has helped motivate many to take action in a critical area of their life…

I always refer to it as a 'cargo cult' theory of human interaction

Re: Lesser Known Ways to Persuade People

#50

Get people to agree with you first A slight twist to this: get people to say yes. My "success rate" (with approaching women) went up drastically when I changed the first words out of my mouth to " Can you hear me? ". I now ask this even when I know a woman doesn't have earphones on. Why does it work? I have a couple of guesses. It is a question that you can't help reply to. And inadvertently when you answer this ques…

It's a foot in the door, you obtain a little something to obtain much more afterward.

It's because we tend to not contradict ourselves and act the way we acted, because doing otherwise would be irrational, right? :D

"I've started to talk to this stranger, there is no reason I stop now".

Of course there must be a ground for agreement in the first place, you cannot force someone to do something he absolutely doesn't want to do with this technique.

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