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Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

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Re: Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

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This is the thing about climate change. There are no survival strategies - you can't plan for it. The biggest problem that will come with it is unpredicability.

We know the broad strokes of how climate change will impact us, but exactly how it's going to break down is impossible to predict.

We know it's going to make certain areas of the planet unlivable. We can't be sure exactly which areas.

Sea levels are already rising - but it's impossible to predict the exact rate at which they will continue to rise. There are models in which they rise relatively slowly. There are models in which they rise quickly, and there are models in which ice sheets fall off the arctic and antarctic all at once and it rises catastrophically.

The equators are already becoming unlivable (and ahead of schedule) - most models predicted we wouldn't start to see days of deadly heat until 2080, but that happened in 2020. It was literally too hot to exist outside for more than an hour or two with out supplemental cooling. We know eventually that will become the norm for much of the equatorial region.

We know climate change will destabilize rain patterns, which will destabilize crops. We know this will drive up food prices. And eventually, send us back to a place where there literally just isn't enough food to go around (right now we produce somewhere around 1.5 times the amount of food we need - there's only starvation because we aren't willing to distribute that food equitably). We don't know when or how fast.

We know all of this will drive migration. We don't know when, we don't really know from where or to where, and we don't know what the full consequences of that migration will be. The millions of people who migrated out of the Middle East as a result of the destabilization of that region post Iraq/Afghanistan and the Arab Spring contributed to cause all kinds of political destabilization in Europe - and a swing towards authoritarianism. It's impossible to predict what tens of millions or hundreds of millions of people migrating from the poorer, harder hit regions into the richer regions will do. Or what the general destabilization of the economy will do. But it's a pretty safe bet that it will fuel authoritarianism (...is fueling authoritarianism) of all kinds.

Given the uncertainty of it all, it's impossible to adequately strategize for survival - let alone a reasonably secure and comfortable life.

Our best bet would be to fight like hell right now to prevent it from getting any worse than it's already going to.

Re: Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

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post #24

I’m trying to get as rich as possible and learn as much as possible to be able to setup a self-sustaining village

I'm curious. I wonder what country would be most feasible to erect a self-sustaining village? And what is the ideal way to manage it eg village chief?

Re: Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

#33

IDK if you'd call it a strategy, but I'm starting to chain some code together so I can apply technical indicators to various climate indices. It's a fun science project if nothing else. But pragmatically speaking it helps me to apply the technical indicators I'm familiar with to the data that's making the news, and form some of my own perceptions of what's going on. The most extreme direct risks to me from climate af…

Is one of the goals to apply climate indices to economic predictions? I've been thinking a lot recently about a chart I saw a long time ago, showing how "peak oil" (as it was called before fracking increased reserves) would result in a series of economic shocks where the global economy bounced up against an energy ceiling, sending energy prices higher until the economy entered recession, at which point energy demand/…

For now it's a standalone analysis (constrained to climate) looking back & forward, applying a variety of indicators, some normal stuff like mas & stddev, some shamelessly ripped from equities trading books (bollinger bands as an example building on those first items), along with some of my own which are probably dumb but which seem reliable enough for me.

I admit I'm not a huge fan of predictive or causal models unless taken in the aggregate, usually. Especially the singular-cause or singular-outcome kind. This is coming from personal interest in this topic within psychology study...for one I find that such models can become pretty breathless & kind of suck all the energy out of the room, energy that can be redirected into an executive stance. Where otherwise you end up with perfectly good mental resources stuck in a perceptive stance. It's cool to predict, but also even cooler to predict with an open mind to many possible outcomes, and then also even cooler to do that and then say "now here's the plan" iow.

Re: Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

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post #4

Counter question: What's the point of surviving in a world where most of humanity will suffer terrible deaths? Aren't we better off focusing our energy on trying to effect change, helping the commons, instead of purely focusing on the self?

Because mass action has proven impossible due to moneyed interests and politics. So while you could and should what you’ve said I think the goal of the question is to understand how others are hedging their bets

Not that I'd advocate anything, but there are several orders of magnitude more normal people than moneyed interest people. There's a fix available.

As for hedging - I'm fairly certain that, for people living affluent outside the tropics or high latitudes means that the effects that'll really get them are largely systemic. There's not much hedging to be done. (Sure, some areas will have slightly milder climate extremes, but food's still gonna be scarce. Pandemic and war will still be felt. Civil war is an option almost everywhere. Migration will still heavily impact local economies.)

That's why I asked the counter-question - to highlight that this is really, if we want to or not, either a collective undertaking or certain misery. Isolation, or even anything but very basic hedging, is not really feasible for most people on this site.

Re: Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

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post #9
post #4

Counter question: What's the point of surviving in a world where most of humanity will suffer terrible deaths? Aren't we better off focusing our energy on trying to effect change, helping the commons, instead of purely focusing on the self?

You still have to make decisions about your own life. Are you going to settle down in region that is expected to dry up or be hit by mega-storms?

Sure, but that's not really a "survival strategy".

Will people migrate over time? Yes. Does migrating now vs. later make a difference? Much less certain - because those people migrating later? They're probably going to the same places the "migrate now" people have moved to. And at that point, it's going to be wholly unpleasant for both groups.

I mean, yes. Don't buy farm real estate in Arizona, or waterfront property in Miami.

Re: Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

#38

Purchased roughly 200 acres in a remote part of the northern border. Setting up solar and wind arrays, purchasing weapons, considering experimenting with developing automated sentries.

>considering experimenting with developing automated sentries

You'll likely be even harder hit by climate change in prison

Re: Ask HN: What's your climate change survival strategy?

#39
post #8

Getting a wood stove. The incoming mini Ice Age is going to be nasty, especially in the northern hemisphere.

Curious as to the predictions of a coming mini ice age you’re referring to. Do you have something I can read?

Some people believe we're actually not looking at global warming coming up but rather re-entry to a mini ice age. See "Vostok Ice Core" samples out of Russia and what people infer from that.

I'm not endorsing this viewpoint btw, just trying to very very briefly explain it to you.

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