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Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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There’s an audio version of the same point here: https://podcast.strongtowns.org/e/the-drip-drip-drip-of-traf... A ”best effort” summary of this article: if thousands of people die in once place, it’s one of the great tragedies in American history. However if thousands of people die in thousands different places, it is ignored and considered a fact of life. When a plane or train crashes, we stop everything and redesi…

The same goes for the vaccines and the FDA.

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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post #96

There’s an audio version of the same point here: https://podcast.strongtowns.org/e/the-drip-drip-drip-of-traf... A ”best effort” summary of this article: if thousands of people die in once place, it’s one of the great tragedies in American history. However if thousands of people die in thousands different places, it is ignored and considered a fact of life. When a plane or train crashes, we stop everything and redesi…

It makes sense because, for most of America, we have designed our environment to be heavily dependent on the possibilities cars open up for us. It is not the same with air or train travel. Those are useful, but not necessary for almost all people.

Tilting at windmills here but: US is not some unique country designed for cars and other countries are not some car-free utopias.

Per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_...

US is 7th country on cars / people metric, below New Zealand and just above Poland.

Yet this is upteenth time I read that US is "designed" around cars as if dependance on cars was some unique property of US.

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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I had two friends that were killed in a car crash inside city limits. One guy was turning left, and the other guy going 90 miles an hour in a 40 mile zone. Happened around midnight. Hit them perpendicular, and killed two friends and critically injured driver who survived and is recovering. Have become much more sensitive about car crashes and speeding as a result obviously. Forces you to re-assess your life. Realisti…

Another thing we can do is force city and state government transportation departments into rebuilding roads as they wear down into more actively calming roads. Making them narrower, put in raised pedestrian walkways (basically turns the intersection into one speed bump for cars), reduce the signage and markings to the essentials, and even make residential or high density roads physical rougher as to make it feel worse to drive fast. All these could help with residential/non-highway accidents.

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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post #183

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Because your death becomes an externality that others have to pay for.

Should we treat all behaviors that are associated with a significantly increased mortality rate the same way, or should we pick and choose depending on the political and social context at the time, like we do with seatbelts?

Few other behaviors associated with increase mortality can also turn you into a missile.

https://youtu.be/bdW_3oQFO0c?t=42

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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The difference is control . While a careful, attentive driver in a well-maintained vehicle certainly isn’t immune, their risk is much lower than someone who drives tired, drunk, or high in a car with bald tires and bad brakes.

So how do the pedestrians that make up a sizeable part of road deaths control the situation then?

The same way drivers do. Avoid the handful of behaviors that seem to lead to the bulk of the deaths. Be attentive and maintain situational awareness. Cross your fingers.

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because your death becomes an externality that others have to pay for.

Should we treat all behaviors that are associated with a significantly increased mortality rate the same way, or should we pick and choose depending on the political and social context at the time, like we do with seatbelts?

I would say we generally do exactly that, when the threshold is significant enough and it's a behavior that has no beneficial/ safe level (we tax and restrict cigarettes heavily, but not so much overconsumption of food etc. Arguably we should/could have penalties for failing to get enough exercise, though there are almost certainly better ways to reduce dangerously sedentary lifestyles).

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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post #212

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It makes sense because, for most of America, we have designed our environment to be heavily dependent on the possibilities cars open up for us. It is not the same with air or train travel. Those are useful, but not necessary for almost all people.

Tilting at windmills here but: US is not some unique country designed for cars and other countries are not some car-free utopias. Per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_... US is 7th country on cars / people metric, below New Zealand and just above Poland. Yet this is upteenth time I read that US is "designed" around cars as if dependance on cars was some unique property of US.

Saying the US was designed around cars doesn't mean it is unique in that it is designed around cars.

And the relevant metrics would probably be something like miles driven and average speed, not the number of cars per capita. Jay Leno or Jerry Seinfeld may have 1,000 cars each but they can only die in a car accident once. Every in San Marino owning a car doesn't mean anything if they only drive it 15 mph through their city streets which were mostly all designed before the advent of cars.

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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post #176

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I find many of the issues brought up about public transit being unsafe revolve around the people you might encounter on public transit (drug users, homeless, mental illness, etc.) and the waiting around/walking to public transit stops (muggings, thefts, etc.) I've never had any issues myself, but have absolutely been exposed to those issues while taking transit. I've also witnessed those issues increase during/post l…

There are plenty of crazy, dangerous people on the road too. Psychologically, you feel more separated than them, even if they may be statistically be more dangerous.

They can't mug me or grope me or blast music on their phone 3 feet away from me though. To be fair occasionally there will be idiot drivers blasting their bass so loud it vibrates nearby cars, but that's far less common than inconsiderate assholes blasting music on their phones on public transit.

Re: Why we ignore thousands of daily car crashes

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post #11

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It's like a form of the Dunning–Kruger effect where everyone believes they're in control of their fate in a car, but not on public transit. People must think they're exceptional drivers and that they can dodge any accident.

If I've learned anything from watching "Idiots in Cars" videos on Reddit, it's that you can go from "driving normally" to "in an accident" much faster than you think. Most people have very little experience reacting to imminent accidents on the road. Overall that's a good thing, but it certainly seems naive to think that simply being an attentive driver is enough to keep you out of accidents.

Yes, but if half of all accidents involve idiots, not being an idiot is a legitimate way to reduce your risk of being in an accident. Meaning drivers do have some control over their level of risk behind the wheel.
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