We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…
Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
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Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#242We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…
What I'm willing to do, however, is a whole bunch of stuff, as long as that "stuff" gives me a better ability to do those things that do make me happy, and a primary driver of my ability to do the things I like is how much money I have.
Happiness doesn't really factor into it, because as I said, the items at the top of the list of things that make me happy are nonstarters from an income perspective.
It's delusional, as an employer, to think your job is to make the people who work for you "happy" in some objective sense.
Nobody would be there if you weren't paying them, you need very badly to remind yourself of that.
Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#243Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some people say this because it's true. This is an ineffective negotiating tactic. You shouldn't accept anything less than stellar equity/benefits/WLB. But if you do, now you are in the position of saying "Well, your equity/benefits/WLB suck, so I want more money." There's no positive way to spin that. You look like an ass and are negotiating from weakness. I tell them exactly what number I'm looking for. Saves every…
> But if you do, now you are in the position of saying "Well, your equity/benefits/WLB suck, so I want more money." "The equity/benefits/WLB you describe aren't consistent with what I was expecting. I'll need higher base if this is going to work." Salary is not the only part of a compensation package. If other parts of the package pencil out, great, if not, you're within your right to ask for more salary. Some employ…
Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#245Yes a screen call is annoying especially if you have a current work schedule but it really isn't that inefficient considering the phone screen is also the ideal medium to pick apart other aspects of the company and its constraints.
Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#246I agree that salary ranges are needed. I would add though, "leetcode" is also why companies struggle to hire. I avoid outright companies who use this as a filter, and cut the process short if I encounter it along the way. Prima donna? Sure. But I believe quite strongly these things measure memorized puzzles, not skills.
For startups and small-to-midsize companies however which typically aren't awash in candidates for technical roles leetcode makes little sense and I generally won't entertain it.
Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#247We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…
Keep in mind it’s really easy to trick yourself into believing the salaries you’re offering are aggressive. I bet 80% of companies would say they have above average salaries.
And it might be true. E.g., they are all paying the same, and the remaining 20% are driving the average down.
Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#248The company wants to hire someone who wants the job, is paid within (below?) budget, and so on. They'll also try to pay you less if they can.
If they publish the salary range, there goes the chance to pay you less. If the salary is low, you cut out people who might like the job but won't even consider it. The company might like them enough to pay more, too.
Employees don't want to waste time on jobs where they wouldn't take the pay.
I suspect not publishing salaries is a Nash equilibrium. Might not be great but you converge to it anyway.
Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges
#249We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…
I'm not. Work is work. It's how I pay for my life. I want a job that doesn't make me miserable, and is constrained to ~40 hours per week -- but "enjoy" isn't the goal.
Making the maximum amount of money for my labor is the goal. (Without doing things that go against my ethics, or are illegal. I could make more if I had no ethical boundaries, I'm sure.) I have a family, a mortgage, pets with expensive vet needs, and a limited number of years left in my career. "Enjoyment" doesn't pay the bills, supply health coverage to my dependents or put money in the bank to cushion any economic downturns, etc.
I wish I'd had this attitude starting in my early 30s. I wouldn't be working now at all and could actually do things I enjoy with all my time and not just a sliver of it.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve had many recruiters think they can try to sell me on the job _after_ I’ve told them it would be half of my compensation… And, look, I’d love to join a Series A start-up that offers a ton of early stock in a promising idea; I’m typically the rare profile that would happily discuss that, with a spreadsheet and all. But those are almost always meat-by-the-slice “agencies” with no bonus structure. I’m really taken a…
A good hunk of them are just lazy. Just yesterday I had a lackluster job description sent to me by someone I've talked to before, and my rejection was just a boring. He had a small amount of motivation to ask what was wrong and I told him there's nothing in this JD that is interesting at all. His response: "Well, that's what the client sent to me." What the fuck value are you adding to this transaction at all , then?
Sure people are lazy, but you're not the paying customer here.