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Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by bee_rider » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:46 PM UTC

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

A salary isn't a reason to be happy to work. It answers the question "how will this change the lifestyle of my family and I?" It is useful to know because a sufficient salary is one of the few 100% hard-line conditions for applying to a place, so posting it saves everybody time.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by turns0ut » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

Did you bother asking OP if their selection criteria is too restricted or assume based upon a single post highlighting one criteria?

Really curious how it is air gapped commentators are able to intuit the real sequence others have adopted with so little information. That’s a pretty amazing power.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by Tao3300 » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

ThalesX wrote: post #54

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

> Of the top reasons people are happy at work, salary is way down on the list. > It is important, it makes it possible to pay bills, but it isn't what makes people happy. Meaning, if you are looking for a place you will enjoy working, do not start with salary. This feels strange to me… I have a minimum salary for which I wouldn’t consider working for a company even if they offered me flying rainbow unicorns. It’s not…

Likewise, I have a minimum salary for which I will move giant hunks of manure with my bare hands and love it so much I'll sing arias about it while I do so. It's a really big number, but I assure you it exists.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

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Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by gsibble » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

My former employer had a lot of trouble hiring and getting applicants even though we paid very high wages. They asked for my help. Naturally, they hadn't posted the salary range. I changed up the listing to talk about what we provided as a company for the employee and why we were such a great place to work and included our high salaries. We immediately had trouble keeping up with the number of applicants.

If you pay well, they will come.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by csomar » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

cygned wrote: post #44

ivraatiems wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not post the range and say what you just said?

Concern was that it still turns down too many, maybe we were too careful. We have another vacant position soon, I might try it.

Why do you want to mislead these people in the first place? The advert has a role in filtering, and in turning down many people you are avoiding wasting time both for you and the potential candidate.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by MaxHoppersGhost » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

carrozo wrote: post #7

Remote job listings made up 18.4% of paid job postings on LinkedIn in May, attracting 53.5% of applications, up from 2.9% in January 2020, according to LinkedIn data. (Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-that-remote-job-opening-real... )

Given the amount of people applying for fewer remote jobs one would think employers could/should start paying lower salaries for remote employees, if they haven’t already.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by lazyasciiart » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

I don't know any programmers who are responding to an ad because of the salary. I know a lot who are filtering out ads because of the salary and then choosing from the ones that include it. If you want to argue that salary doesn't matter then don't take one.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by lowbloodsugar » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

projectazorian wrote: post #39

Just ask in the initial phone screen. Say you won't entertain roles below and you don't want to waste everyone's time. Usually recruiters appreciate this and if they can't give you the number themselves they will check with the hiring manager. Some people say this reduces your negotiating leverage because it reveals your hand too much. I try to get around this by making clear it's a minimum, not a maximum, and anythi…

Some people say this because it's true. This is an ineffective negotiating tactic. You shouldn't accept anything less than stellar equity/benefits/WLB. But if you do, now you are in the position of saying "Well, your equity/benefits/WLB suck, so I want more money." There's no positive way to spin that. You look like an ass and are negotiating from weakness.

I tell them exactly what number I'm looking for. Saves everybody a bunch of time. Yes, my current job I got what I asked for.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by znpy » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:50 PM UTC

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

> The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges.

Maybe your company is known for paying well or well-enough, have you considered that?

> If your primary reason for responding to an ad is based upon salary you are not going to be happy where you work.

That's very debatable, and that's to say the least (and to say it politely).

For a lot of people a salary bump that eases financial pressure is a big boon on mental health, positivity and ultimately happiness.

And by the way, a lot of people will not be "happy" in the purest sense of the work at any job. Work is ultimately the chore we all do to exist. Maybe work is the ultimate chore.

We do our best to make the pill taste less sour, but very few of the people that do "code for passion" (or some other thing) would work on the same business related problem if they had no need for money. They would probably work on something else, which is very unlikely to overlap with some random jira ticket or something.