Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges • Hacker News Board

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by gdulli » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

The job I have now and am happy with, I would not have applied for if the "official" salary range had been published. What ultimately sold me were intangible things that I only discovered after being in a conversation with them. And it turned out there was enough other flexibility for things to fall into place.

The range is often a leaky abstraction anyway. As a hiring manager I've wanted flexibility for the right candidates. As a candidate I've wanted to know that comp is more personalized than arbitrarily capped by a bureaucratic process.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by ElijahLynn » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

This is true.

I respond to most recruiters now that I won't even talk to them without a salary range. And then they send it right over.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by hyperrail » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

https://www.coloradoexcluded.com/ It seems to have been less active lately, but based on what you say, that may not be because employers are responding to the incentive...

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by PainfullyNormal » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #5

> No need to waste time with 7 rounds of interviewing only to find out the salary is 50% of what I currently make. You can just ask at the end of the first interview. I've never had a problem doing so.

That's not the point. Companies that don't list a salary range aren't being competitive. I can only apply to so many jobs at once, so I'm going to pick off the listings that list a salary range I want and apply to those first (and probably only).

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by jstx1 » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

> Most jobs on nation-wide job boards do not post a salary range. I will not even click on those job postings. It's simply not worth it.

Not everyone is like you. I don't think that you can generalize based on the criteria you use to filter out companies.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by verdverm » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

praptak wrote: post #9

donatj wrote: post #5

> No need to waste time with 7 rounds of interviewing only to find out the salary is 50% of what I currently make. You can just ask at the end of the first interview. I've never had a problem doing so.

I don't like having to ask.

what else do you not like but still have to do?

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by dingosity » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

Complicating things here is the fact companies like Amazon top up their compensation with stock grants (or maybe ISOs, it's been a while since I worked there.) So you see a job offer from Amazon that says the salary range for a SDE I is $85k-$160k, but I'm pretty sure they would low-ball you on salary but give you a stock grant that might be worth $80k over 4 years if AMZN stock holds its value.

I think my point is... yes... it is very cool companies are posting salary ranges more often now. But it's just the beginning of the evaluation process. Bonuses, options, grants, etc. aren't listed and could be valuable.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by thrill » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

I think they should post salary minimums instead of a range - that huge range is just eye candy. Oh, but not enough people will be interested at the minimum? Then your minimum wasn't good enough and isn't actually the minimum.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by ThePadawan » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

carrozo wrote: post #7

Remote job listings made up 18.4% of paid job postings on LinkedIn in May, attracting 53.5% of applications, up from 2.9% in January 2020, according to LinkedIn data. (Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-that-remote-job-opening-real... )

Using LinkedIn as a source of data is completely pointless.

I see the same exact position posted 20 times by the same 3rd party recruiter.

I see positions posted as listed in Zurich with a title of "Software Engineer, Bangalore Office (relocation provided)" which is listed 30 times for the 30 biggest cities in the world.

I see positions deleted and being re-created daily to pop up in job seeker's filters again.

You could argue anything using this as data.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by MattGaiser » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #5

> No need to waste time with 7 rounds of interviewing only to find out the salary is 50% of what I currently make. You can just ask at the end of the first interview. I've never had a problem doing so.

What happens to me is that I ask, they agree, and then they make a lower offer anyway.