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Re: I regret my website redesign

#261
Digital Agency Owner Here... I have to say, this is difficult to read and it gives a bad name to other agencies.

- I think the first "mistake" was not having it as a fixed price. We spend a lot of time up-front defining the scope and get sign off before committing to the work. After that, we roll it through the relevant departments. We take the risk on for bugs/issues (that are within scope) and do the project as a fixed price. Anything out of scope is a different conversation but will always be priced additions.

- This agency got the best of both worlds, hourly rate and no risk on their side.

- I disagree with some of the comments on here about agencies not being your "friend", a "good" agency will treat you like a partner and be focused on helping you meet those goals, regardless of if there's more money to be made. Ultimately, our job is to make you look good and reach goals. If we don't do that, we don't need to exist.

- They should have said no at the beginning. We turn down clients and it's hard to do sometimes, but ultimately you're setting everyone up to fail. Honesty is key for all parts.

- The onus should be on the agency, not on you. If there's issues with the build, that's the agency's problem not yours. That's why the initial scoping is so important.

- A good agency IS better than a freelancer(or freelancers). You have a team of people conducting the work, pulling in the right people at the right time, expertise and experience of doing this day-in-day-out, what to avoid etc. On top of all that, ensuring it runs on time (it's in our interest to do so). A rolling freelancer is incentivised to keep the project running as long as possible, but on top of that you're limited to a knowledge of one.

- The CEO unfortunately took full advantage of the situation here. This is a short-term approach that may work for a few clients but after that, the word spreads. There's few things you can keep hold of these days, your name and reputation is one of them. I'd advise actually naming this agency as the anonymity will only promote them to keep doing it.

Sorry this happened to you and I admire your positive approach to the situation, sometimes what's done is done and you have to learn and move on.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#262
Very nice cautionary tale.

One thing stuck out at me:

> Why didn’t you just refuse to pay them until the work was done? ... If I had insisted on milestone-based payments from the beginning, WebAgency likely would have declined the project. They saw me as a small client who could grow, but nobody wants to work with a tiny client who’s as demanding as a huge corporation.

That would have been for the best, right? Someone savvier than me might have realized here the point above about "avoid hiring a vendor as their smallest client". They're offering a different fee structure than for their other clients, but it's still not appropriate for your needs.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#263
There is a reason why successful startups seldom order contract work especially early on.

Design is kinda different, yet most startups tend to have some competency and capability in that field(some frontend engineer more on the artsy/design side). If you did, you could have easily said that you are happy with the results and can take it from here, ask for source files. Since you pay by the hour and their game became to drag this it would be great to introduce a threat like that (even as a bluff).

Suddenly someone will realized that due to constraints(finding new agency would be costly) he became critical element of your business flow and will exploit that.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#264
post #44

I have seen many outsourcing projects with my coachees and with founders, I've managed my own and cancelled several when I was called in to fix them. The key to this kind of work is to understand: The agency is not your buddy, they have very different goals than you have. Too often do I seen people who have nice chats with the agency over a coffee. They are not your friends. You need to write the contract to align th…

Thanks for reading! I have a different philosophy when it comes to hiring in that I assume the people working with me are honest and they're motivated to do their jobs well. I'm paying for their time, and I assume they'll use their time effectively. If they can't use their time effectively, I terminate the hire, but I don't try to fix it with different policies. I agree that there are payment schemes that will cause…

Has anyone approached you about an acquisition? At 50k+ MRR and those margins on hardware you really shouldn't be losing money. Imagine there's a small (or big) hardware company with in house employees to do what you're outsourcing at a much lower cost.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the Pope had to keep Michelangelo focused on the Sistine Chapel and not wander off to work on his tomb. Not that it matters in this context but wasn't it the other way around? Didn't Donato Bramante try to sabotage Michelangelo by convincing Pope Julius II to give him the Sistine Chapel comission, assuming that Michelangelo would fail (due to his lack of experience in fresco painting) and ruin his reputation in…

I was actually thinking of "The Agony and the Ecstasy," which is on somewhat shaky historical accuracy footing. Rex Harrison whacking Charlton Heston with a stick because he's slacking on the ceiling is how all project managers should handle both devs and creatives. I hear that's how Larry Ellison does it.

We’ve heard of Scrum. Now comes Stick

Re: I regret my website redesign

#266

You know how, during a big programming project, you have to keep the devs from going "this codebase has a lot of technical debt, let's rebuild the whole thing using Rust and Kubernetes and Deno and move the hosting to Azure and switch databases and use microservices and..."? Designers are exactly the same way. Just as technical fiddling is fun and interesting, making new designs from scratch is just as fun and intere…

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Re: I regret my website redesign

#267
post #84
post #37

I am pretty sure there are a handful of good (based on Tailwind CSS) template generators which will produce results superior to the pages you received. Sure, you'd need to hire someone to do the logo and the custom icons, but I am certain that would not cost you anywhere near $46k. Furthermore, I cannot comprehend how this actually happened even if you shared all the details. Holy shit, for $46k you could have gotten…

In my opinion, you're not paying $175 for a good looking page. You're paying that premium for an expertise in what will convert, how to build a funnel, and what to measure. I can pay a guy $60/hr in India, and get something that looks decent.

Based on the sales graph, it sounds like they didn't even accomplish that much.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#269
post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why do that with an agency you've never worked with before? I don’t see how this works? You ask agency for a developer for your project, you get a developer for the project. Will you just withold payment if they don’t use developers you like?

Nothing worse than being on a project where everyone is hostile to one another.

I can imagine one thing: a project that is overbudget and past deadlines.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#270
My heart goes out to this guy ...

For those unaware, the blogger left a high-paying job at Google 4-years ago [1] to start his own business and over those last 4-years, unfortunately, hasn't really made any money/profit [2]

His blog is a treasure trove of insights and lessons learned along the way.

Highly recommend for others to read.

[1] https://mtlynch.io/why-i-quit-google/

[2] https://mtlynch.io/solo-developer-year-4/

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