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Re: I regret my website redesign

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> why do that with an agency you've never worked with before? I don’t see how this works? You ask agency for a developer for your project, you get a developer for the project. Will you just withold payment if they don’t use developers you like?

No, you go "I'm sorry but we're paying you for quality work and the dev you assigned us is clearly a junior dev. If you do not have the capacity to do this job then we would have preferred you simply stated this up front" and then you don't "withhold payment", you make it a contract condition and you terminate the contract and find someone else. It has nothing to do with developers you _like_, but with developers who…

Correct, though I'd argue if your new resource is hostile, it will not be productive for either party to work together.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I've never put clients on retainer for more than a fraction of the typical work-hours per month... which I only really know after I'm well past their first project. The point of a retainer is to square off enough time and resources to be on call when the next project comes up and the one after that. I don't think it's at all the appropriate way to handle a resource crunch on a one-off project.

I do shy away from design-only work for one time clients, although ten years ago that was typical of my business. From an art director's perspective there are certain red flags on both sides of this. I would never present that many logo options to a client, or engage in constant back and forth over the options until we had internally narrowed it down to a maximum of 3. Clients are not designers and presenting them with too many choose-your-own questions tends to lead them to micromanaging - what I call client vanity logos - and inevitably (though paradoxically) they are less happy with the results than if they are presented with a few solid choices from the get-go and dissuaded from injecting too much of their own design aesthetic. The reason is that they come to believe they could have done it better themselves. Whereas if it is done for them professionally, they will comfort themselves knowing that this is what the professionals think and they got the pro opinions they paid for. This is something I learned very early on, when I started at an ad agency at 15. (We also learned that two of the three you present should be slightly flawed, to drive the customer to the design strategy we had already settled on but give them the illusion of choice. I don't really waste time with that anymore, but it's still a tool in the kit).

I'm not blaming the OP for any of this, or saying they're especially picky. In my experience it really comes down to the quality of work and quality of advice they're getting from an agency, and an agency should know how to deal with it.

Another red flag is that each portion of the job should have been estimated individually beforehand. That's really essential to preventing time overflows and also to dissuade micromanagement. Instead, it sounds to me like this entered a loop focused on the logo which sucked up more time than anyone expected, and they allowed that to be a driver. They probably no longer liked the project, and as a result, the final product lacked coherence and vision.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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The solution: hire designers who can code. It will save you a lot of time and money. They can design and code with Webflow at the same time. The front-end of this project should’ve taken 80-100 hours at most — including custom illustrations & graphics. P.S. I do that sort of thing if anyone’s interested.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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I have seen many outsourcing projects with my coachees and with founders, I've managed my own and cancelled several when I was called in to fix them. The key to this kind of work is to understand: The agency is not your buddy, they have very different goals than you have. Too often do I seen people who have nice chats with the agency over a coffee. They are not your friends. You need to write the contract to align th…

> they have very different goals than you have I've been seeing stories like this about out of control software projects as long as I've been working as a developer (so since about 1992). The conclusion is always that the root cause is either malice or incompetence - but it's awfully suspicious that software is conspicuously alone in attracting this much incompetent malice. Of course, we hear stories like this about…

> for the most part, when somebody hires somebody else to build a house, they get a house and it costs mostly what they were quoted up front and takes mostly as long as they were told it was going to take.

! Every single time I've hired a general-- I've had to fight scope creep; fight to get them to actually complete work; fight to get the actual quoted materials; fight to fix problematic subcontractor work; fight to avoid price increases.

You can get close to original scope and original pricing, but for me it's always involved the implied threat of litigation. Note this is the only sector of business life where I've had to be this confrontational.

(Work with individual trades has been not bad at all, but this has tended to be tightly scoped projects with relatively simple dependencies).

> software project was accurately quoted in advance are relatively trivial projects.

Even simple software projects tend to have much deeper interdependencies between work items, and bigger nonlinear combination of work impacts, than other domains. If someone changes something small on the fly in a normal construction project, and a pipe is in a slightly different place-- it's usually no big deal. It may involve a little bit of rework.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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I can't remember seeing a website redesign in my entire life that didn't make the site worse. Many sites have gone down the tubes due to redesigns while always blaming the failure on something else. Kudos for at least having the self-awareness to realize that your redesign didn't help. To first order, there's (usually) only one site metric that really matters, and that's page load speed. Craigslist still thrives desp…

> Craigslist still thrives despite having no features and looking prehistoric, because it's so fast. Google.com homepage looks almost empty.

Craigslist and Google's site speed enhances their success, it isn't the cause of their success. Their content is what the user wants. Giving it to them fast is a huge bonus.

I don't want to see shit fast. I want to see good stuff fast. If I have to, I'll wait to see really good stuff.

> Meanwhile the also-rans with busy pages (remember Yahoo leading the search space? Digg leading link aggregation?) are now near forgotten.

Yet Amazon, with an incredibly busy page thrives. Because the content is what matters.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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I think I found them, might be heartbeat [link redacted]

The author chose not to name them. Attempting to find that information and then publicly sharing it feels in poor taste, regardless of your opinion of how things went.

I didn't "attempt to find" them. I was considering working with this agency and the designs are eerily similar.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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You know how, during a big programming project, you have to keep the devs from going "this codebase has a lot of technical debt, let's rebuild the whole thing using Rust and Kubernetes and Deno and move the hosting to Azure and switch databases and use microservices and..."? Designers are exactly the same way. Just as technical fiddling is fun and interesting, making new designs from scratch is just as fun and intere…

I was ready to fire the agency the moment the author mentioned they were going off script and building whatever they wanted. This was a huge, blinking red flag for me. Why would you keep paying someone when they're doing work you didn't ask for, doing work that doesn't align with your goals, and ignoring what you say?

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Re: I regret my website redesign

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post #171

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Some feedback from a person who is the target audience of your product: https://tinypilotkvm.com/illustrations/tinypilot-overview-il... is the most prominent image on your site and of little value in my opinion. Rather than have a sketch that looks like it very well could just be a stock image (and my brain is trained to ignore this type of image), I recommend having actual photos that show the same scene. A photo of…

Yeah, I wanted to give this feedback about this image, too. Try reading that image from the website on your smartphone. It's very hard to see what's going on.

Even on a regular laptop screen, it took a little too long for my eyes to grok what I was looking at. My initial impression from the photo is that this company is selling some SaaS and not a physical device.

In my opinion, the original page with the picture of the actual device made it much clearer what you were getting.

For the OP, perhaps use a color for the device's housing? Assuming the costs are the same, a cute little blue box would make it stand out in photos and give it more character than its current generic black. In illustrations, you could make the scene in black and white and have the device be blue, for example. To me, the goal should be to make that little box seem magical and unique.

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