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I regret my website redesign

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Re: I regret my website redesign

#101
With the takeaway I would agree with finding a sole freelancer, or a small team 1-3 rather than an agency. Freelancers often scale to agencies to make more money off bigger clients that can deal with scope creep and huge bills.

I've done freelance work similar to that (redesigning w/ bootstrap), and I found having a set price for the completed work has worked well for me.

On tracking, I worked with a consultancy a while back and had to use self-tracking tools like toggl, and it was a dealbreaker for me. I absolutely hate tracking (billable) time, some places do it down to the minutes, it's madness IMO. It was frustrating because a problem could be solved in 2 mins, but required 1hr of research/experimentation, when do you start the timer? Oh and you have three other clients, and whenever you context switch you gotta quickly do it in the tool so it tracks the right client, etc. it warps the brain IMO and stifles creative play/thinking, especially when you're docked for not having enough billable hours, even though in a normal full-time job things would be swell. After I left, I had to readjust to not always think about my time per task and felt relief and clarity again to solve problems with an open-ended mindset.

I think devs should resist this micro tracking tools, they're used by agencies to exploit their employees and their customers—IMO it's no different than an amazon warehouse tracking their employees every move/micro-break.

Edit: Like others have mentioned here, name and shame, they scammed you! Lesson learned, but 46k is a lot of money, and for a lot of small businesses that could have been enough to tank the owners financially, so you may potentially help out others by attaching their name.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#105
Oof, this pains me personally. That $46k pricetag just about matches the salary I was earning in my first full time job while still attending college more than a decade ago. I was a web developer and between a designer, a content gatherer/editor, and myself, we banged out one or two complete websites a month. These were no simple sites either - dynamic, Drupal based, custom theme, stage/prod, self-hosted order forms, newsletters, other interactivity and even training the owners how to use Drupal.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#106
The new version of the website breaks some fundamental - and easily fixable - rules of web design: No changes to links on hover, and dropdown menus don't appear on hover, only on click. If OP reads this, really recommend fixing that. It should be easy.

Also, agreed with those who are saying that it's OK to stand up for yourself as a client. It's hard managing clients as an agency, and it's good to have empathy for people you work with, but that doesn't mean you can't push back on added cost or expanded timelines.

Frankly, when someone tries to charge you more for something that is within the scope of work you already paid for, you can simply say no. Likewise, when someone tries to charge you for something you didn't agree to pay for, say no. That is maybe what needed to happen here.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#107

This reminds me of when I worked for a B2C company in the healthcare space. We hired a freelance designer to redesign our checkout flow and we wanted it done in time for Black Friday, which was by far our biggest day of the year. Of course the project ran long and we crunched so that we could ship the redesign exactly on Black Friday. I think we shipped the Tuesday before (because Thanksgiving) and everything seemed…

> Nobody considered that rearranging the layout and colors of the checkout buttons would have such an impact but they did.

I hope this was two decades ago because people absolutely should know by now that doing this has the potential for a huge impact.

Re: I regret my website redesign

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t feel like they meant to deceive me or squeeze money out of me. From the article: > They were so excited about the project and got carried away, but he was going to remove the hours they’d spent redesigning the blog. The management directed the designers to do that work, to see if they could get away with charging for it. There is no doubt, that you were deceived to squeeze money out of you.

I don't think this is universally true. Developers (myself included) often just do what they want regardless of what they're told and in a consultancy it has to be billed somewhere. Here, a client was cost a lot of money. But it might not have been directed by a manager! At large corps like MSFT and APPL, this behavior is often lauded by the hacker community because it leads to wonderful things like PowerToys and Gra…

> Developers (myself included) often just do what they want regardless of what they're told

I don't believe this is true for adhoc work. There's often pressure to get a job done under time under budget to maximize profit. It's one reason I much prefer working for a service based company as there IS room to do what you want and push boundries.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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post #3

Author here. Happy to take any feedback or answer any questions about this post.

I liked your original design. Simpler, to the point, and lower contrast so my eyes don't bleed. Also I am utterly floored at how long programming a web page takes even for these "professionals". Yet another profession that pays way better for way less work than mine (scientist).

I like the original one better too. Theres a picture of the product at the top instead of an abstract diagram, and it reads as more honest + less sterile.

Re: I regret my website redesign

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post #37

I am pretty sure there are a handful of good (based on Tailwind CSS) template generators which will produce results superior to the pages you received. Sure, you'd need to hire someone to do the logo and the custom icons, but I am certain that would not cost you anywhere near $46k. Furthermore, I cannot comprehend how this actually happened even if you shared all the details. Holy shit, for $46k you could have gotten…

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