Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks • Hacker News Board

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by curiousgal » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 11:14 AM UTC

ri0t wrote: post #229

andrew-jack wrote: post #227

As an aside, I'm curious about wireless hacking but don't know whether or not I possess the necessary expertise. Can someone with no prior knowledge of pen testing or wireless networks benefit from this?

Yes. But you'll have to learn a bit or two to make use of the more advanced stuff. It is indeed a great learning tool, as it offers almost everything you need to delve in. There's good lectures out there, explaining the things you might not yet know and most of it is fun stuff to learn. Very much worth your time & effort. Hope you're fine with some advanced math concepts, though!

> advanced math concepts

Such as what, out of curiosity?

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by memsom » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 11:55 AM UTC

gonehome wrote: post #198

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #93

PSA: the main benefit of this s the ease of use, due to a lcd display, buttons and software support. If you're familiar with arduino/esp* programming, you can get the components (eg. esp32, cc1101, nfc reader, and infrared transciever) for a lot cheaper on aliexpress or your local reseller, and all of those things are in stock. (or in other words, if you're one of those people who buy stuff like this, play with it fo…

Reminds me of this HN classic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Okay - that was an awesome link ;-) Well, I wonder how BrandonM feels about the whole "files synced online" thing now?

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by hazmazlaz » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 12:27 PM UTC

sorenjan wrote: post #226

dandelany wrote: post #196

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From a security point of view, it sure makes for an interesting attack surface

You have to look out for backdooring though.

That's one penetration test that I would not want to participate in.

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by pluc » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 12:34 PM UTC

addingnumbers wrote: post #223

bitwize wrote: post #207

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Which in turn may be a reference to the time when a movie showed an actual dolphin as a hacking device: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F7OM59U4-z0

It's a reference to the story that inspired the movie. > The prototype of our character is the cyborg dolphin Jones from the story "Johnny Mnemonic" by William Gibson.

It was either a dolphin or Keanu Reeves...

Seriously Keanu Reeves ins't a bad choice for a technological automaton representation, being Johnny Mnemonic and Neo and all. Though I guess dolphins in general are much more conciliatory on IPs, trademark and copyrights issues.

We need to put Keanu Reeves in the public domain!

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by jsjohnst » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 12:36 PM UTC

worthless-trash wrote: post #215

mystickphoenix wrote: post #181

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FWIW I've used mine to duplicate both of our car key fobs (middle 2000's Mazda and middle-2010's Jeep) so it'll probably be very dependent on make/model/age as to whether it uses rolling codes.

Surely these rolling code devices should be started by some kind of seed, otherwise how does one replace a remote ? I'm not convinced that there is a 'non destructive' method to find that out though.

> otherwise how does one replace a remote

There’s a pairing mode you put the car in and it accepts the new keyfob and probably records it’s seed / counter / etc at that point.

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by jsjohnst » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 12:46 PM UTC

JaggerFoo wrote: post #104

Is this the same device I saw in reports about nerds trolling Tesla owners by opening their charging ports?

Can confirm, it works. I’ve tried it myself directly.

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by capableweb » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 1:22 PM UTC

memsom wrote: post #232

gonehome wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of this HN classic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Okay - that was an awesome link ;-) Well, I wonder how BrandonM feels about the whole "files synced online" thing now?

> Other users have provided the link, but my heart sinks a little every time I see this brought up, especially when the commenter is singled out by name. People forget that this is a real person. He also happens to be a first-class HN contributor, and has been for many years.

> I realize it's internet fun to point neon arrows at people seeming outrageously wrong in the past, but the truth is that people aren't reading that comment accurately and there's a huge dose of hindsight fallacy here.

The full comment by dang has more context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27067281

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by caeril » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #237

memsom wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay - that was an awesome link ;-) Well, I wonder how BrandonM feels about the whole "files synced online" thing now?

> Other users have provided the link, but my heart sinks a little every time I see this brought up, especially when the commenter is singled out by name. People forget that this is a real person. He also happens to be a first-class HN contributor, and has been for many years. > I realize it's internet fun to point neon arrows at people seeming outrageously wrong in the past, but the truth is that people aren't readin…

Furthermore, he was only wrong on point #3.

People make fun of this post on account of Dropbox having been a commercial success, but the first points are still valid (and even more true today, with modern tooling) that FOSS self-hosted solutions are far better, more flexible, and serve as a learning/building opportunity - something the 2022 world of vendor lock-in, dumbed-down "user friendly" solutions, and vast data collection sorely needs more of.

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by nibbleshifter » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

turtleman1338 wrote: post #184

nibbleshifter wrote: post #67

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Also in Europe area, still waiting. I think its with the notoriously slow last mile carrier that never updates tracking, so maybe next week or two...

Same here, I have my tracking number for 3 weeks but no activity so far

If its in the EU/EEA it's probably stuck in Amsterdam, there's enormous logistic issues happening around/in schipol for the past while.

Re: Flipper Zero – Portable Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by Kadin » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 2:20 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #237

memsom wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay - that was an awesome link ;-) Well, I wonder how BrandonM feels about the whole "files synced online" thing now?

> Other users have provided the link, but my heart sinks a little every time I see this brought up, especially when the commenter is singled out by name. People forget that this is a real person. He also happens to be a first-class HN contributor, and has been for many years. > I realize it's internet fun to point neon arrows at people seeming outrageously wrong in the past, but the truth is that people aren't readin…

They were also very right about one critical point:

> without charging users for the service, is it reasonable to expect to make money off of this?

Dropbox was initially pitched as a free service, which was absolutely not sustainable, and someone would have been right to be very skeptical about the underlying business model. People might not have been quite as enthusiastic if they'd said from the beginning "oh, and it'll be $100/year for the rest of your life, or until you get your shit together and move your data elsewhere".