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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Nonsense. You can't fight spam, criminal or hackers by restricting your ecosystem. Such measures only enable monopolies like Apple to make money at the expense of the consumer or competitors.

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you mean all those diplomats and journalists where not using compromised iphones?.... hahaha come on now...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#832

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I see a lot of Apple fans make unsubstantiated claims that Apple's restrictions on its ecosystem is effective in stopping spam, malware, scams, etc... I have yet to see any data to back this up.

What kind of data are you looking for? Static analysis and Apple-signed binaries tied to developer profiles prevent the vast majority of abuses. For example, it’s possible to modify the Mach-O link loader on a compiled app like DoorDash to use a fake Apple Pay API that steals credit card numbers. But it’s very difficult to get that scammy app installed on an unsuspecting victim’s device. And it’s impossible to upload…

tiktok sending your data to the CCP...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#833
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post #128

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While this is certainly a problem, I don't accept it as an argument for why we all have to be locked in the walled garden. Just add a system setting that controls the walls. Let people disable it if they want, and tell your mother-and-law to never ever disable it no matter what. If you're worried that they'll be tricked into disabling it, then they probably should not be in control of a bank account or anything else…

What happens when installing Facebook requires this setting to be disabled because it's only installable with their own App Store and rampant with privacy intrusions? > People already get scammed on iPhones all the time. I disagree with this assertion. It's certainly far less than those getting scammed on Mac/PC. > It's silly to think that anybody would be more vulnerable as a result of the DMA. There's a failure in…

umm what? go watch those scam calls on youtube they target iphone users all the time

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#834
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Yeah, and that unsecured Linux is destroying the world! It’s not about making products less secure. That’s what apple makes you wanna think. It’s about giving customers choice. They can stay in Apple ecosystem (I will for example). Or they can not. Companies like Apple will have to work much harder now, to give both users and developers enough value to justify being locked in.

> They can stay in Apple ecosystem Nope, Adobe will make sure all its apps require Adobe App Store. Same for Facebook with Whatsapp. No more stupid Apple store restrictions, yay!!

so on android they have to install adobe app store? and Facebook store?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#835
post #81

It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

You can just keep using an android phone. I, for one, don't want to waste my time being IT support for my entire family. That's the whole reason most of us prefer the walled garden of iOS. I don't care if it is as powerful a computer as a server from some 15 years ago, I WANT to treat it like an appliance, a friggin consumer device, I want to standardize it across my home and have some peace of mind. If I want to hac…

You can just keep using an old cell phone. See? I can do it too.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#836

I'm not sure how I feel about this. My gut instinct is that opening these things can lead to a ton of malware and fake app stores, which will lead to a not-insignificant number of people being victimized. I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round.

"innovative" tech companies: - Amazon exploits their workforce and has a turnover rate of 150% - Facebook destabilizes democracies and drives extremism while collecting as much data as possible and tracking you over the entire web - Google also collects as much data as possible and controls the big majority of the browser market - Microsoft has a monopoly on Desktop OS especially for the office. Entire states are fully reliant on them to continue to function. - Apple tries to convenience you to pay a hefty extra price for a more and more walled garden

Those companies are bigger than states, have high influence on politics and together could overthrow states. If you have a innovative idea without an entire law department they will just copy it or pressure you into a buy out. If you play by the law you cannot beat them at their game if they don't let you.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#837

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I see a lot of Apple fans make unsubstantiated claims that Apple's restrictions on its ecosystem is effective in stopping spam, malware, scams, etc... I have yet to see any data to back this up.

What kind of data are you looking for? Static analysis and Apple-signed binaries tied to developer profiles prevent the vast majority of abuses. For example, it’s possible to modify the Mach-O link loader on a compiled app like DoorDash to use a fake Apple Pay API that steals credit card numbers. But it’s very difficult to get that scammy app installed on an unsuspecting victim’s device. And it’s impossible to upload…

> Apple-signed binaries tied to developer profiles prevent the vast majority of abuses.

More unsubstantiated claims

> Third party App Store? No problem.

Nonsense.

Giving people choice does not mean opening the floodgates to malware. You can disable sideloading apps by default, but also enable them upon explicit user request. You can call it a "I'm a responsible adult" button.

You don't need walled gardens for this. A sensible safe default with a pathway to disabling it is sufficient.

You can't restrict choice for everyone just because a couple of tech-illiterate folks might make bad choices. It's silly and soon also illegal.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Most of these rules apply only to companies above a certain size, both in number of users and revenue. Those get classified as "digital gatekeepers" and they are the companies that have to comply with extra requirements. So no, this will not affect startups and harm innovation, it will just force the monopolistic behemoths to play nice and cease actively harming innovation.

It also starts to bother me quite a bit when we go from treating everyone equal before the law to creating certain requirements based on other factors. Further it seems more like a moat to keep anyone else from getting as big as these "digital gatekeepers" are as suddenly when you get to a certain size you have an enormous expense. If these companies really are that large that they have to get special laws for them i…

Did you ever read Thinking in Systems (D. Meadows)? It's quite a nice read and there are some nice paragraphs about why we need rules to prevent or reduce monopolies.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#839

Lovely. The EU is a behemoth that takes years to proceed, but I really like that they are still trying to fight for consumers' digital rights.

While at the same time being anti consumer and trying to pass chat control.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#840
post #100

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

Yep. Actually I could also consider using an iPhone and Mac devices in general in such a case.
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