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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Wow I think that site has the 1st decent GDPR popup thing I've seen. Just two buttons, accept cookies, reject cookies, u click one and then it goes away.

That’s what a compliant one must look like. If it has e.g “accept” and “manage choices” then it’s blatantly non-compliant and hopefully such popups will be extinct once a few such sites are fined.

Well it's the 1st of probably 100's of sites I've visited that's actually compliant then.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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If this law doesn’t force the consoles to open up, it will prove that it was not grounded in real principles. Consoles are computers, just as surely as an iPhone is.

> Consoles are computers, just as surely as an iPhone is. I don’t think most people see it that way. Game consoles could be general purpose computers if you changed the operating system, but no one (except maybe PS3 customers) buys a game console expecting to use it for general computing. Likewise, the computer in a Tesla is probably powerful enough to run a full desktop operating system, but it’s clearly not what it…

They are general purpose computers, just like phones. It's purely a software limitation.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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But what if that system had a small app store? Now it should allow any app store and apps to be installed?

Sounds good to me.

You are free to buy cars that meet your needs for yourself, such as multiple app stores. So it looks your standards are achievable if your willing to actually pay for it. This is more limiting freedoms and harming others, for example more expensive cars for me to satisfy one your desires. Or less innovation or competition because of higher cost of startup.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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The GDPR outcome was largely good though. I can download my data from way more websites than I could before

> The GDPR outcome was largely good though. The issue with GDPR-style regulations with huge penalties is that it makes it harder for new entrants to the market to operate without fear of violating the law by accident. Big tech has no such fear due to huge legal departments. Maybe the outcome overall is still good, but let's remember that Facebook (and Mark Zuckerberg personaly) was/is at the forefront of demanding he…

Please stop spreading this GDPR FUD, the demands are very clear - as is the case where you don't need informed consent at all. "New entrants" are either not scared of the GDPR or probably violating it, much like the big players.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#815

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net. Every goddamn site has this stupid cookie popup show up. It is like playing whack-a-mole. They should have instead only allow necessary cookies and marketing and other cookies should be part of signing up for a specific service and not just visiting the website. The thought is noble but the implementation sucks.

> The thought is noble but the implementation sucks

And you know who does the actual implementation, right?

This is mostly a case of malicious (arguably non-) compliance.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Is this potentially breaking apple's walled garden? I wonder wether they will comply at all. Besides, I'm glad to see interoperability mentioned there, perhaps one day we could text from one messenger to another one without being held back by the owner.

> Besides, I'm glad to see interoperability mentioned there, perhaps one day we could text from one messenger to another one without being held back by the owner. By forcing message passing platforms to submit to sharing private encryption keys? And that interoperability entailing the possibility of passing messages to government eavesdropping schemes? Sounds like a utopian paradise!

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Having used iPhones since the very earliest ones, I also fear this might turn it into an Android situation. I like iPhone because I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group. While choice, a diverse web, competition & all that is important, I personally wouldn’t want anything but a walled garden monoculture in most cases. Being able to integrate a different voice assistant??…

>> I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group That until you find out some of the best web technologies are not working on safari(i.e indexeddb has been left unfixed for years on purpose by apple). I don't think people would like a safari only on desktop. Why would they want that on mobile?

I don’t really care about modern web tech I’m happy so long as web pages I visit work and lay out properly. (I don’t do web dev so I don’t need to professionally worry about the IE6-issues of having a large but slow moving target)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Having used iPhones since the very earliest ones, I also fear this might turn it into an Android situation. I like iPhone because I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group. While choice, a diverse web, competition & all that is important, I personally wouldn’t want anything but a walled garden monoculture in most cases. Being able to integrate a different voice assistant??…

Using Android really sucks. I hate being able to install whatever browser I want and old versions of apps

Sideloading on iOS would be great but that’s an unimportant point in this article compared to “user chooses App Store and voice assistant”

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. This however isn't a reason for the rest of the world to accept this. And since the power in the market is highly concentrated and all of it is moving more and more in this direction, regulation enforces these alternative options now. All this does is regulate the power the provider of a product has over their customer. This does not ruin the walled garden for the…

That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. I agree in principle, but I worry that we end up in the situation where if you need to use a particular app, you can only get it from a third-party store that you don't trust. (Something gross like Facebook starting an app store.) Or course, this is mostly a result of Apple being greedy. If they had acted like a good steward of the platform rather than trying to ex…

I'd much rather have lawmakers set standards on which apps are legal than appstores.
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