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Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by shadycuz »

tristor wrote: post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

I came here to say this. They contacted me several years ago for a kubernetes role. The pay was half my current position which was also remote... They didn't feel like a leader.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by robertlagrant »

yencabulator wrote: post #104
codegeek wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I will bite. I randomly checked one company called "MotorK" [0] and I found this line in the job description "Work remotely from any of the countries we operate in". So thats not work from anywhere in the world. I am sure devil is always in the details. I know this is 1 example but I doubt a company will hire from anywhere in the world and pay the same salaries to you. There always will be restrictions. Ok now I a…

> and I found this line in the job description "Work remotely from any of the countries we operate in". Outside of contracting and business-to-business deals, I think we're still in a world where it's hard to legally employ people in countries where you don't have a legal presence (outside of cases where that has been explicitly agreed-upon, like EU). Something as basic as tax withholding can be literally impossible…

Pay remote.com $500/mo per employee in a country you don't have a presence in and you're done.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by flicken »

codegeek wrote: post #75
wwarek wrote: post #58

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Just a few months ago this[0] jobs platform for exactly that - remote, location-independent salary - was discussed on HN [1]. [0] https://remotewide.co/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31225138

Ok I will bite. I randomly checked one company called "MotorK" [0] and I found this line in the job description "Work remotely from any of the countries we operate in". So thats not work from anywhere in the world. I am sure devil is always in the details. I know this is 1 example but I doubt a company will hire from anywhere in the world and pay the same salaries to you. There always will be restrictions. Ok now I a…

> Ok now I am more curious. I looked at another company "Expensify" [1]. They actually want you to ideally relocate to one of their office locations :). So again, not fully remote anywhere in the world. I think employers say it casually but in practice, it is extremely difficult.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think Expensify wants you to relocate?

Relocation was not required or suggested when I interviewed with them last year. Their current job ad shows that they support working from anywhere: "Our employees work from all over the world" and "we spend a month abroad working from a remote location as a team".

I hypothesize that the part about visa sponsorship / relocation assistance might give the wrong impression:

> if you're looking for a change of scene we offer visa sponsorship and relocation assistance to join us at one of our rad locations...

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by shagie »

Tao3300 wrote: post #129
tristor wrote: post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

Their location adjustment figures used to be open source. It was a flat text file of locations and coefficients. But they backpedaled on that, and last I looked you couldn't find them anymore and it had been replaced with vagueness. That's not leading. That's fleeing with your tail between your legs.

If you poke the repo and dig, the file still exists in history. They didn’t git filter-branch it (and force push) it away.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by flicken »

fooster wrote: post #152
sprkwd wrote: post #102

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37 Signals. https://37signals.com/19

Last I checked they only hired in the US

37signals hires outside the US, see their HN ad from June, 2022[1]:

> The salary for candidates matched as Programmer is $165,410. The salary for candidates matched as Senior Programmer is $197,819. Irrespective of where in the world you live.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31583175

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by vladvasiliu »

Barrin92 wrote: post #148
tomnipotent wrote: post #93

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Locally-adjusted pay is a fluke if revenues are not locally constrained (like a coffee shop). It's just another way employers try and nickle and dime workers, and it's sad that a large class of workers have been brainwashed to support it because somehow they're more upset at the other workers making more, than the company trying to pull a fast on on them. "But you would make so much more than your neighbors!". Fuck o…

>Locally-adjusted pay is a fluke if revenues are not locally constrained You don't get paid based on company revenue, you get paid based on the lowest amount you (or someone you're competing with) are willing to agree to sell your labour for. That amount is going to be lower if your cost of living is lower. People earning less if they work remotely in Podunk, Idaho compared to SF is no different from someone earning…

Fair enough. But it would seem that for a remote worker, the value for the company comes from what they produce, not from where they produce it from.

To me, this would instead be an argument that "since engineers are equal, might as well get the cheapest one". Which is an argument I can understand, even if I don't agree.

But this would mean that your compensation would be mostly fixed, and you'd mostly look for people living in cheaper places, since this should give you a better bang for your buck. Which would mean, basically, that you'd be looking to pay en engineer in San Francisco the same as one living in a tent in Africa. If they're the same, why would you pay 100x more for the one in SF?

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by nl »

tomnipotent wrote: post #137
fijiaarone wrote: post #130

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Actually senior management takes this into account — they’d only be making 3 million if they lived in Fremont but since they live in Malibu they get $30 million plus a stipend for their SF penthouse.

How does HN have such ridiculous ideas of what other people are making? I had someone yesterday tell me that a mid-level marketing role at Stripe was pulling in 3-5M per year, and probably made 20M over their four years there. An SVP is pulling down a base of $300-600k, and stock comp (option grants & RSU's) may be doubling or even tripling that but very few are getting 10-100x base. Maybe C-levels, but even then I'd…

Lots of people on HN don't understand the difference between C-level exec roles ("management") and functional management roles ("management").

They also look at salaries at non-public startups where some part of the package is denominated in the stock options price (which may or may not be fiction).

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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Post by comprev »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #113
comprev wrote: post #90

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Gitlab ideally wants clients in Silicon Valley but staff in Lahore.

For GitLab it doesn’t matter where their client resides because they don’t charge based on location. A client in Lahore pays the same as a client in Silicon Valley.

The metaphor is SV has stacks of cash for revenue
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