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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by mccorrinall »

brtkdotse wrote: post #185
yoavm wrote: post #100

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Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

I don’t care as long as I can finally use firefox or chrome on my iphone and FINALLY play vp9 webms.

Also, I use a few mobile apps with web push notifications, so there is that too! Webkit still doesn’t support neither.

Im hyped.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by metadat »

dntrkv wrote: post #760
metadat wrote: post #621

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What timeline do you think the Gatekeepeers would prefer? Is it a reasonable goal to let BigTech drag it's feet making these changes they didn't want to do on their own accord in the first place? Amazing things are possible when the incentive is right. Given their VAST resources, it's only a matter of focus.

I don't know how anyone would think that timeline is in any way possible. Not gonna happen.

Then let the motivational fines begin and see if that helps get things moving.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by SixDouble5321 »

origin_path wrote: post #260
a4a4a4a4 wrote: post #194

I'm not sure how I feel about this. My gut instinct is that opening these things can lead to a ton of malware and fake app stores, which will lead to a not-insignificant number of people being victimized. I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round.

It's worth noting that Android already allows such things and there has been no malware apocalypse. In all the years Android existed I've never encountered someone with a malware filled phone. People stick with the default app store and are fine. Agree about the EU though.

Malware occurs in both environments and often comes through the default app store.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pabs3 »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

What about installing an alternative operating system on an iPhone?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pabs3 »

hef19898 wrote: post #161
DCKing wrote: post #136

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Agreed. I switched from an iPhone to a Pixel because the iPhone experience is claustrophobic (admittedly I switched from Android to iPhone before that for the much better and lengthy software Apple gives). If this means the iPhone is getting things similar to F-Droid and NewPipe I'd be happy to switch back. The new iPads have an M1 chip with virtualization capabilities, but you wouldn't know it with the stuff Apple a…

Ha, a iPad running Linux would be something I'd look at. It is a surprise so, that the EU is actually moving, at scale, in that direction. Maybe privacy, processed food and some other things next!

Already possible due to a bootrom exploit in older iPads:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/developers-get-linux...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pabs3 »

sfe22 wrote: post #320
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

While I am in the camp of apple allowing side-loading, i am not a fan of monopolistic regulations like this. It opens all kind of questions, like 1. What devices have to comply? 2. Who decides what device has to comply? Should playstation open their system too. What about a niche bank transaction signing device that internally uses an android capable hardware. Is this illegal now? 3. What about a car infotainment sys…

Most car infotainment systems ship with Linux, just they don't let you change it, which might be a GPL violation.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pabs3 »

amelius wrote: post #95
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Can I now install Linux on an iPhone?

If your iPhone is old enough to be vulnerable to one of the bootrom exploits, then yes you can.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/developers-get-linux...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by 8note »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Under much much more,

Install any app you've previously purchased, from any app store, I think regardless of whether they'd otherwise offer said app

I think that will get rid of selling the same game, app, whatever on many platforms. Buy once, use everywhere

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by 8note »

brtkdotse wrote: post #185
yoavm wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

That's not the only reason to get an iPhone though, and why should you get this at the expense of the rest of iPhone buyers? The iPhone is hardware, not software

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by [deleted] »

microtonal wrote: post #213
turbinerneiter wrote: post #200

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That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. This however isn't a reason for the rest of the world to accept this. And since the power in the market is highly concentrated and all of it is moving more and more in this direction, regulation enforces these alternative options now. All this does is regulate the power the provider of a product has over their customer. This does not ruin the walled garden for the…

That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. I agree in principle, but I worry that we end up in the situation where if you need to use a particular app, you can only get it from a third-party store that you don't trust. (Something gross like Facebook starting an app store.) Or course, this is mostly a result of Apple being greedy. If they had acted like a good steward of the platform rather than trying to ex…

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