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Re: Gitlab and remote work

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post #5

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I saw a list of companies that paid the same regardless of location. There were even a few bay area companies that didn't cut your pay when you moved away, I wish I had that handy.

Can you name a few who will pay a Senior Software Engineer the same salary in Bay Area vs say Bangalore, India ? I am curious.

We're US only, but our salaries are flat across the US. Same salary in the Bay area and say, Moscow, Idaho.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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"You hire someone for what they can bring to the table not how much you can profit off them." Not sure if I agree with this naive view. Yes, you hire people and give them what they want in exchange for work but at the end of the day, I am absolutely trying to save money as a company and increase profits as long as I am doing it reasonably.

fascinating how people come to the defense of corporations like this. why? do you feel that someday you'll be in their shoes and have the power to dictate salaries? you are likely a worker like everyone else here. demand better.

You don’t have to like it, or harbor power fantasies, to be realistic about how supply and demand works out.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

#123
post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

Location based salary has nothing to do with cost of living. It has to do with what your local labour market pays.

I live in New Zealand - a gallon of petrol is $7.241 USD. A macbook air m2 is $1680.70 USD. Gitlab would not pay someone in NZ more than someone in the US because their cost of living is higher.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

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post #33

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in the tech job market generally, the value of the work to the company puts an upper bar on a salary, but competition with other employers for the same worker puts a lower bar on salary (obviously along with other factors like the company's reputation, mission, benefits). In practice all salaries are set by the latter rule, which means they depend on the job market, which varies by location. That salaries should not…

> which means they depend on the job market, which varies by location Aren't you commenting on a post about remote work? Their job market is global (within limitations.)

It’s only a global market if there’s a meaningful number of employers treating it as one. From what I’ve seen, and what the comments on this post have been able to show, such employers seem few and far between.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

#125
post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

Hesitant to wade into politics but here we go. I think paying remote workers competitively regardless of their place of residency could lessen the political polarization in the US. The (mostly liberal) brain-drain from middle America to the coasts is real, and exacerbates the undemocratic nature of the Senate (etc). It would have profound economic benefit for the “flyover states” as well, reversing the flow of money out of small-to-medium towns. I say this as someone from a small town in Alabama who had to leave to have a career: give me a reason to make a life there.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

#126
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw a list of companies that paid the same regardless of location. There were even a few bay area companies that didn't cut your pay when you moved away, I wish I had that handy.

Can you name a few who will pay a Senior Software Engineer the same salary in Bay Area vs say Bangalore, India ? I am curious.

We do at Stellate: https://stellate.co/blog/one-job-one-pay

Re: Gitlab and remote work

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a few who will pay a Senior Software Engineer the same salary in Bay Area vs say Bangalore, India ? I am curious.

We're US only, but our salaries are flat across the US. Same salary in the Bay area and say, Moscow, Idaho.

Company?

Re: Gitlab and remote work

#128
post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a few who will pay a Senior Software Engineer the same salary in Bay Area vs say Bangalore, India ? I am curious.

We do at Stellate: https://stellate.co/blog/one-job-one-pay

Do you guys share the distribution of title by location? Maybe Engineer 2 gets paid the same everywhere, but maybe San Francisco is all Engineer 10s and India is all Engineer 1s.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

#129
post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

Their location adjustment figures used to be open source. It was a flat text file of locations and coefficients. But they backpedaled on that, and last I looked you couldn't find them anymore and it had been replaced with vagueness.

That's not leading. That's fleeing with your tail between your legs.

Re: Gitlab and remote work

#130
post #89

I appreciate a lot of what Gitlab has done, but as someone who has been permanently remote for nearly a decade, I don't really consider them to be a leader in remote work. One of my biggest issues with Gitlab is that they pay based on locality, many other fully remote companies pay below Bay Area salaries, but they pay flat globally, meaning you can be location-independent without a pay-cut and it helps to bring in h…

Locally-adjusted pay is a fluke if revenues are not locally constrained (like a coffee shop). It's just another way employers try and nickle and dime workers, and it's sad that a large class of workers have been brainwashed to support it because somehow they're more upset at the other workers making more, than the company trying to pull a fast on on them. "But you would make so much more than your neighbors!". Fuck o…

Actually senior management takes this into account — they’d only be making 3 million if they lived in Fremont but since they live in Malibu they get $30 million plus a stipend for their SF penthouse.
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