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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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amelius wrote: post #239
Patrol8394 wrote: post #231

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True, countless times I had to fix friends/family android tablets and phones where all of the sudden apps stopped working and will boot crash . It is always some crap like apps messing settings and permissions or play not being updated etc… I converted most of family to iPhone/iPad problem solved. I am a tech person but when it comes to phones I want the damn thing just to work and simple to use.

That family doesn't know how to keep proper phone hygiene shouldn't mean they get to force their locked down stuff on the rest of us.

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KerrAvon wrote: post #365
makeitdouble wrote: post #319

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If that’s really how it rolls out, doesn’t it also mean that Safari wasn’t viable on itself and nobody wanted to use it in the first place ? Apple is no underdog anymore, if their browser couldn‘t compete on its own merit I won’t be crying a river over it. Firefox, while mired with its own problems, is another story; but I don’t see Mozilla losing from this decision.

“This website only works on Chrome.”

This is a serious issue that need to be solved directly, and not by carving out weird protected turfs for other monopolistic companies.

In the current situation a ton of websites are already bailing out and shoving mobile apps to their users instead of actually addressing Safari.

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techpression wrote: post #280

I really hope there will be an open iPhone that people can buy and they keep their existing one for those of us who doesn’t want our phones to become cookie-pop up-ridden data collecting nightmares that is guaranteed to to happen. Anyone want to bet against Spotify requiring you to install the Spotify App Store to use the client?

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Post by martimarkov »

bubblethink wrote: post #497
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

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It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

It's an extremely popular opinion. It's the tech grandma phenomenon. A lot of people in tech want to optimise for their grandmas. So whenever something like this is proposed, the standard response is, 'But what about my grandma ?'. It's a variation of the 'But what about the kids ?' argument.

But what about me? I’m the one who likes the fact I don’t need to worry about malware on my phone and I open sensitive documents only on my phone without any anxiety that they might get leaked.

I feel a lot of ppl in tech actually don’t care about the end user and care only about the profit they can make while completely disrespecting my privacy. How about that being the phenomenon?

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Post by microtherion »

onion2k wrote: post #349
tgv wrote: post #114

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> User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service.

Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service. I bet that Chrome adoption on iOS remains under 25% forever. People just don't care which browser they use so long as the default one works. Safari isn't so bad that people are desperate to replace it.

There won't be any "default one" anymore, because the law appears to prohibit Apple from preinstalling Safari:

>[won't be able to]

>pre-install certain apps or software, or prevent users from easily un-installing these apps or software

>require the most important software (e.g. web browsers) to be installed by default when installing an operating system

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Post by mmastrac »

mission_failed wrote: post #681
alkonaut wrote: post #672

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Having used iPhones since the very earliest ones, I also fear this might turn it into an Android situation. I like iPhone because I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group. While choice, a diverse web, competition & all that is important, I personally wouldn’t want anything but a walled garden monoculture in most cases. Being able to integrate a different voice assistant??…

Using Android really sucks. I hate being able to install whatever browser I want and old versions of apps

I realize it's sarcasm, but my Android has the ability to run whatever I want on it and I just use it for a handful of things that Google won't allow. That's all I need.

It's not a free-for-all or a virus-laden hellscape. It's just freedom.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bryan_w »

InTheArena wrote: post #387
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

This is much more negative then for Apple then google. Google subsidizes their (far less profitable) app ecosystem by selling user data in the form of advertisements. While there is language about Google having to share marketing response rates, it doesn't prohibit this practice. Apple on the other hand makes their money by targeting features (privacy, integration, etc) that people pay more for. Apple will have to tr…

Or maybe settle for making a few billion less. Oh the horror

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Post by Tozen »

martimarkov wrote: post #688
Tozen wrote: post #684

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I'm not quite understanding this argument. If you prefer to stay behind a "walled garden", then you still can. The difference being that you will personally enforce your own preferences for all things dictated or suggested by Apple versus Apple imposing what they want upon everyone. The "walled garden" will be your own mentally imposed constraint. Though you and various others might prefer the "walled garden", that i…

Then go and buy an android phone. Honestly this looks to me like I bought a petrol car and I want it to be electric. You have a choice when you buy things. I want the walled garden for my parents so that I can tell them - anything you install is safe so don’t stress. I think most engineers are so narrow minded and don’t understand a vast majority of the user base that it’s insane. Ppl made the decision to buy a speci…

You are disrespecting the choice of iPhone owners, who want freedom of choice on a product they paid for. That's what jailbreaking was/is all about and the various App Store alternatives. It also shows a lack of understanding on the EU's position in regards to fair business practices, where Apple snuffs out any competition. Apple is not suppressing competition out of the kindness of their hearts, they did so to maximize profits off of their captive user base.

If you want to follow Apple's future suggested practices, then you will still be able to, it just won't be forcibly imposed on all users.

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