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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by mission_failed »

alkonaut wrote: post #672
yoavm wrote: post #100

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Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

Having used iPhones since the very earliest ones, I also fear this might turn it into an Android situation. I like iPhone because I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group. While choice, a diverse web, competition & all that is important, I personally wouldn’t want anything but a walled garden monoculture in most cases. Being able to integrate a different voice assistant??…

Using Android really sucks. I hate being able to install whatever browser I want and old versions of apps

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by theplumber »

alkonaut wrote: post #672
yoavm wrote: post #100

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Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

Having used iPhones since the very earliest ones, I also fear this might turn it into an Android situation. I like iPhone because I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group. While choice, a diverse web, competition & all that is important, I personally wouldn’t want anything but a walled garden monoculture in most cases. Being able to integrate a different voice assistant??…

>> I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group

That until you find out some of the best web technologies are not working on safari(i.e indexeddb has been left unfixed for years on purpose by apple). I don't think people would like a safari only on desktop. Why would they want that on mobile?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alkonaut »

everyone wrote: post #96

Wow I think that site has the 1st decent GDPR popup thing I've seen. Just two buttons, accept cookies, reject cookies, u click one and then it goes away.

That’s what a compliant one must look like.

If it has e.g “accept” and “manage choices” then it’s blatantly non-compliant and hopefully such popups will be extinct once a few such sites are fined.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Tozen »

brtkdotse wrote: post #185
yoavm wrote: post #100

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Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

I'm not quite understanding this argument. If you prefer to stay behind a "walled garden", then you still can. The difference being that you will personally enforce your own preferences for all things dictated or suggested by Apple versus Apple imposing what they want upon everyone. The "walled garden" will be your own mentally imposed constraint.

Though you and various others might prefer the "walled garden", that is not to say that all Apple users prefer it that way. Clearly, as jailbreaking demonstrates, there are significant numbers of iPhone users that didn't and don't want to stay behind Apple's jail or wall.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by yardstick »

cmckn wrote: post #665
slaymaker1907 wrote: post #610

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I think six months is a pretty unreasonable time frame for Apple. While the security concerns around this sort of thing are often overblown, Apple will need to rework their security model for the iPhone. If there is an API surface between the OS and the App Store, they may need to rework it since it's not been designed with third party stores in mind.

I don't think it's realistic. One example: > Make core messaging functionality interoperable. They lay out concrete examples like file transfer Google, Apple, and Amazon are supposed to design, ratify, implement and ship a universal messaging standard in 6 months? This won't happen even if they skip the first two steps and use an existing standard. Apple ships a new iOS version in September, when this timer is suppos…

> Google, Apple, and Amazon are supposed to design, ratify, implement and ship a universal messaging standard in 6 months?

If they all agree that email or sms is the common messaging standard, is that problem solved?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alkonaut »

bloppe wrote: post #59
fbn79 wrote: post #25

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This bring more choiche power to the final user. But are final users always in position to make such choiches? Do the final user always have the competence? If you open the app store walled gardens good things can enter, but even bad things. Today if you buy an iPhone to you son you sure that apps are reviewed by Apple. With this ACT, nor Apple, nor other provider can give you this certainty of app moderation.

I'm always amazed how people can be so receptive to this argument. I personally find it incredibly insulting that Nanny Apple tells me I don't know what's good for me; that they know what's good for me and it also happens to be incredibly lucrative for them and absolutely devastating for all would-be competition. Don't let them treat you like a child. Speaking of children, I think you A) massively overestimate the se…

I’m a developer since 30 years and I love the iOS walled garden. Not because I hate choice but because I don’t want my phone to be a computer. I want it to be a dumb appliance. Same with my car or my refrigerator. It might be a computer, but I want the one that shows that the least which is currently iOS.

I choose to let Apple be my nanny and police the apps. That’s the choice. Does everyone need to be forced to make that choice? No. But the reason the platform is nice and polished is largely because they can make hundreds of millions run the same thing.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by martimarkov »

Tozen wrote: post #684
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

I'm not quite understanding this argument. If you prefer to stay behind a "walled garden", then you still can. The difference being that you will personally enforce your own preferences for all things dictated or suggested by Apple versus Apple imposing what they want upon everyone. The "walled garden" will be your own mentally imposed constraint. Though you and various others might prefer the "walled garden", that i…

Then go and buy an android phone. Honestly this looks to me like I bought a petrol car and I want it to be electric.

You have a choice when you buy things.

I want the walled garden for my parents so that I can tell them - anything you install is safe so don’t stress.

I think most engineers are so narrow minded and don’t understand a vast majority of the user base that it’s insane.

Ppl made the decision to buy a specific device. Respect their choice. You don’t like it? Don’t develop for that OS…

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by skyyler »

veilrap wrote: post #656
foepys wrote: post #620

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If that's such an important issue for you, why don't you just switch to a bank with an app with good UX? There are so many banks out there, one will surely either support Apple Pay or have a decent app. Apple Pay will not just die, Android has no restrictions on NFC and Google Pay is still supported by banks. What you do is fear mongering that's not based on reality. Android shows that it works and Apple just wants t…

So use Android? I don't get the reason to force all companies to be the same when customers clearly have preferences. I've bought mostly Apple products because I prefer their system to Androids. People who disagree can buy something else. Competition is better than these father knows best overarching regulations.

Isn't the point of this to create more competition?
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