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Can you name a few who will pay a Senior Software Engineer the same salary in Bay Area vs say Bangalore, India ? I am curious.
Just a few months ago this[0] jobs platform for exactly that - remote, location-independent salary - was discussed on HN [1]. [0] https://remotewide.co/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31225138
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Isn't that Capitalism 101 ? If employees are happy, company is happy, why does it matter ? Why should a company worry about pleasing everyone who is not necessarily part of them. If someone likes what Gitlab does, applies there and gets the salary they want, what's the issue ? If they don't like Gitlab's offer because someone else in a HCOL area may get more, you are essentially comparing with someone else. Not a goo…
It's because talking about your salary is so widely taboo that you may think your rate of $40k salary is good because it's comfortable in your area, but most chances are you don't realize that your co-worker who has the same skill level and workload is getting paid $80k and that's a good way to piss off your employees. Pay for skills not for cost of living. You hire someone for what they can bring to the table not ho…
Not sure if I agree with this naive view. Yes, you hire people and give them what they want in exchange for work but at the end of the day, I am absolutely trying to save money as a company and increase profits as long as I am doing it reasonably.
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Not cutting someone's pay when they move is very different to hiring someone in Thailand on a Bay Area salary.
Why? If both do the same work in the same location, why would one get more than the other. Either you don't adjust the pay when they move because you are already paying everyone an equal salary. Or you adjust it and pay everyone a local salary. Gitlab does the latter.
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Just because a company may not pay salaries compared to say Bay Area, doesn't mean they are not paying great salary for your location. It is a stretch to say that they are exploiting labor for pennies if they are paying a good market rate salary for the area they are hiring in.
Ah, so exactly the same model like the sweatshops in Asia. Pay just good enough that they can't afford to not do the job. Very generous.
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Can you name a few who will pay a Senior Software Engineer the same salary in Bay Area vs say Bangalore, India ? I am curious.
Just a few months ago this[0] jobs platform for exactly that - remote, location-independent salary - was discussed on HN [1]. [0] https://remotewide.co/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31225138
Ok now I am more curious. I looked at another company "Expensify" [1]. They actually want you to ideally relocate to one of their office locations :). So again, not fully remote anywhere in the world. I think employers say it casually but in practice, it is extremely difficult.
Why would I pay the same salary to a good developer in NYC vs India/Thailand. If that's the case, why would I hire from a totally different timezone and not to mention add legal, HR and compliance issues.
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Because you're paying me for my skills and expertise, not for where I live.
This is likely correct in the long run and it means software engineering compensation will be dropping significantly in the next decade.
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It's in your own personal definition of remote work that people should be paid an universal salary. Gitlab might not be a world leader in salaries, but they might very well be a world leader in providing the best remote work environment to their employees.
can it really be "best" if you're treated unequally just because live somewhere different?
Their pay was abysmally low last time I applied. The company seems cool but the salaries as a senior were honestly kind of silly in this market.
Then you missed the biggest advantage of remote only: they can hire from any market.
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It's because talking about your salary is so widely taboo that you may think your rate of $40k salary is good because it's comfortable in your area, but most chances are you don't realize that your co-worker who has the same skill level and workload is getting paid $80k and that's a good way to piss off your employees. Pay for skills not for cost of living. You hire someone for what they can bring to the table not ho…
"You hire someone for what they can bring to the table not how much you can profit off them." Not sure if I agree with this naive view. Yes, you hire people and give them what they want in exchange for work but at the end of the day, I am absolutely trying to save money as a company and increase profits as long as I am doing it reasonably.
why? do you feel that someday you'll be in their shoes and have the power to dictate salaries?
you are likely a worker like everyone else here. demand better.
Still paying according to location for the same work?
Isn't that Capitalism 101 ? If employees are happy, company is happy, why does it matter ? Why should a company worry about pleasing everyone who is not necessarily part of them. If someone likes what Gitlab does, applies there and gets the salary they want, what's the issue ? If they don't like Gitlab's offer because someone else in a HCOL area may get more, you are essentially comparing with someone else. Not a goo…
I don't blame them for applying "Capitalism 101", but on the other hand, Gitlab is selling an ethos, not just a product¹. Surely, nobody likes to hear "when it's about management, we're rainbow and unicorns, but when it comes to the bottom line, we're capitalism 101".
I also think that they target talented but (from a career perspective) inexperienced engineers (a bit like old Google's free lunch and table tennis tables), which I find - at least - distasteful. Gitlab cleverly capitalizes on their brand, and in addition to the location-based salary optimization, they also offer substandard salaries (or at least, they did for a significant time; I interviewed with them, and by that time, they were paying at least 20% less than comparable companies).
¹: amusingly, they're not immune to marketing nonsense; see, for example, https://about.gitlab.com/company/culture/all-remote/all-remo....