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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by dang »

tstrimple wrote: post #296
dang wrote: post #280

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You broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of how right they are or how wrong other people are or you feel they are. Following the site guidelines is more important, because the survival of the entire forum depends on that. We've also had to warn you repeatedly about this in the past, so it doesn't have just to do with this topic. If you'd please review https://n…

Threatening to ban the person trying to counter vaccine misinformation because he called someone anti-vax. A+ moderation.

I think you may have missed the point a little bit. Being right, or feeling right, doesn't make ok to abuse the site. It makes it more important to follow the site guidelines, not less.

The way to "counter" a wrong view, or a view you feel is wrong, is with thoughtful discussion and good information. Pouring fuel and setting it on fire is not that.

Btw I posted lots of moderation replies in this thread, to people on both sides of the argument who were posting abusively. The community strongly expects us to be even-handed about that, no doubt including the vast majority of the users who agree with your positions. This is a basic principle and should be obvious.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by manwe150 »

origin_path wrote: post #294
dktokyo wrote: post #235

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This could just as easily be related to increased infections among young people at this time. You have no reason to pin this specifically on vaccination.

The timing is a very obvious reason to pin it on the vaccine because that's what was changing at that time. Omicron emerged later (end of 2021) and is much milder. But yes, one way to answer that question definitively would be to do a cohort study on conception rates. Split the data by vaccine status. This can't be done because public health agencies systematically refuse to do this sort of study, nor do they expose…

Are we looking at the same graph? Vaccinations were well past the inflection point in August in the data you are responding to, so the vaccine affect would have already happened if we make the bad simplifying assumption that the population is homogeneous. But Delta was drastically increasing infections in August, leading to a proportional much smaller increase in vaccination then.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by dudeDDRrulez »

dktokyo wrote: post #300
dudeDDRrulez wrote: post #247

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There is no herd immunity in play with anyone vaccinated with COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. Please remove that from your vocabulary when referencing the vaccines for one reason: they do not provide immunity and never have. Hence there is not and will not be herd immunity from vaccinations alone. Please, spreading this nonsense does not help anyone. You are lying which makes you look bad (or if you think it’s actually true,…

How do you think vaccines don’t contribute to herd immunity?

The COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not contribute to herd immunity because they do not confer immunity. They don’t prevent transmission nor infection, hence herd immunity is not attainable from these vaccines alone.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by pygy_ »

dudeDDRrulez wrote: post #299
pygy_ wrote: post #260

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Which numbers have been cooked? I remember outright lies coming out of the WHO and governments regarding the usefulness of masks (out of a fear of running out of stock for health professionals), and regular exaggerations of the benefit of vaccines coming from politicians (at least in France), where they were drawing a stark black and white picture of a much more nuanced reality. However, I don't remember seeing false…

Many examples here but “97% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated” was a complete fabrication. Basically they used statistics from when 97% of the population was unvaccinated and kept using them for months longer than they should have. When that wasn’t feasible anymore, they started counting unknown vaccination status as unvaccinated to keep the 97% lie going. Ironically select ICUs report 90% of their cases are fr…

We didn't have that kind of discourse here in France AFAIK.

Given that the vaccine is not 100% efficient, past a vaccination rate threshold, it is inevitable to see a majority of hospitalized people being vaccinated.

When the vaccine was first rolled out, official communication was indeed built around P(vaccinated|ICU) but they soon switched to P(ICU|vaccinated) when P(vaccinated) grew high enough to make the first figure misleading.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by origin_path »

manwe150 wrote: post #302
origin_path wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timing is a very obvious reason to pin it on the vaccine because that's what was changing at that time. Omicron emerged later (end of 2021) and is much milder. But yes, one way to answer that question definitively would be to do a cohort study on conception rates. Split the data by vaccine status. This can't be done because public health agencies systematically refuse to do this sort of study, nor do they expose…

Are we looking at the same graph? Vaccinations were well past the inflection point in August in the data you are responding to, so the vaccine affect would have already happened if we make the bad simplifying assumption that the population is homogeneous. But Delta was drastically increasing infections in August, leading to a proportional much smaller increase in vaccination then.

Well, for me there's no real need to try and divine it from some rough and ready study. I already know that the vaccines drive this because so many of my girlfriend's social groups reported disrupted cycles immediately after taking the shots, and for some the doctors said specifically it seemed to be vaccine caused. Seemed for them actually mostly that the periods vanished, rather than unexpected bleeding.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by dktokyo »

dudeDDRrulez wrote: post #303
dktokyo wrote: post #300

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How do you think vaccines don’t contribute to herd immunity?

The COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not contribute to herd immunity because they do not confer immunity. They don’t prevent transmission nor infection, hence herd immunity is not attainable from these vaccines alone.

The vaccine has been well demonstrated to provide significant reduction of both of those, actually greater than any prior vaccine for the original strain of COVID.

The key infectious strains we see today are variants that, in no small part due to increasing herd immunity to prior strains, are microevolutionarily driven to evolve around the vaccines. The same way the flu develops strains that bypass vaccine protections throughout the year.

Even with the different variants, the vaccines have reduced the transmissibility and infection rates vs nonvaccinated individuals, with some allowance in limited datasets (ie. Ottawa) for behavioral changes between vaccinators and nonvaccinators.

Not sure where you acquired your misinformation, but you may need better sources.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by moistly »

dang wrote: post #276
moistly wrote: post #173

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With all due respect, you invited the eye roll. There is simply no plausible way for the virus to be less harmful to the population, or even just the ‘having a child’ subpopulation, than the vaccine.

Please omit swipes and flamebait from your comments here. They break the site guidelines, and they also discredit what you're arguing for, which is really bad if you happen to be right. You can make your substantive points without any of that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You wouldn’t happen to be anti-vax, would you? Because holy cow, you sure are allowing the anti-vax, fear-promoting front page posts to proliferate these days, which only encourages loons to brigade the site and downvote any comment that counters their bullshit narrative.

Your toleration for anti-vax nuttery serves to encourage it. It’s a variation of Popper’s maxim.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by dang »

moistly wrote: post #307
dang wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please omit swipes and flamebait from your comments here. They break the site guidelines, and they also discredit what you're arguing for, which is really bad if you happen to be right. You can make your substantive points without any of that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You wouldn’t happen to be anti-vax, would you? Because holy cow, you sure are allowing the anti-vax, fear-promoting front page posts to proliferate these days, which only encourages loons to brigade the site and downvote any comment that counters their bullshit narrative. Your toleration for anti-vax nuttery serves to encourage it. It’s a variation of Popper’s maxim.

We moderate accounts that break HN's rules regardless of what they're arguing for, and regardless of how right they are or feel they are. Being right is no license to break the rules. Quite the contrary—the more right you are, the more responsibility you have.

Routinely, when people see moderation happening to accounts they happen to agree with, they overlook and excuse how those accounts were breaking the rules (no matter how extreme it was!) and jump to the conclusion that the mods must secretly be in cahoots with the other side. Of course, the other side feels exactly the same way. It's cognitive bias in both cases.

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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by Gibbon1 »

moistly wrote: post #307
dang wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please omit swipes and flamebait from your comments here. They break the site guidelines, and they also discredit what you're arguing for, which is really bad if you happen to be right. You can make your substantive points without any of that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You wouldn’t happen to be anti-vax, would you? Because holy cow, you sure are allowing the anti-vax, fear-promoting front page posts to proliferate these days, which only encourages loons to brigade the site and downvote any comment that counters their bullshit narrative. Your toleration for anti-vax nuttery serves to encourage it. It’s a variation of Popper’s maxim.

I asked about this two years ago and he was evasive. Take that as you will.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by moistly »

dang wrote: post #308
moistly wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn’t happen to be anti-vax, would you? Because holy cow, you sure are allowing the anti-vax, fear-promoting front page posts to proliferate these days, which only encourages loons to brigade the site and downvote any comment that counters their bullshit narrative. Your toleration for anti-vax nuttery serves to encourage it. It’s a variation of Popper’s maxim.

We moderate accounts that break HN's rules regardless of what they're arguing for, and regardless of how right they are or feel they are. Being right is no license to break the rules. Quite the contrary—the more right you are, the more responsibility you have. Routinely, when people see moderation happening to accounts they happen to agree with, they overlook and excuse how those accounts were breaking the rules (no…

Dude, I ask not because I broke rules, but because there has been a LOT of fear-promoting bullshit being posted, by users who post a LOT of fear-promoting bullshit, and you allow it, and them, to remain active.

You normally have a very even hand on the tiller. Your words are always calm and rational. You frequently kill posts that delve into disinformation and nuttery. And yet you allow fear-mongering posts and fear-mongering nitwits to continue to harm the society in which you live and the site you moderate.

What am I to think?

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