Estimate how many slaves work for you based on your possessions and lifestyle.
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#12A lot of the moral judgements made on the linked site about a materialistic lifestyle don't really have anything to do with the fact that people in the west are evil, but rather that the culture in certain parts of the world where manufacturing takes place is conductive to exploitation. For instance, if I buy a diamond ring, I am not responsible for lives taken with weapons that have been bought with diamonds. If I d…
This is not to say that the sex traffickers themselves will be converted to an upstanding and pious life; rather, many of them would probably switch to another unsavory line of work. However, I would say that it makes more sense to use the change in number of trafficked women as the appropriate metric in considering the effect of a behavior change.
Re: Estimate how many slaves work for you based on your possessions and lifestyle.
#13A lot of the moral judgements made on the linked site about a materialistic lifestyle don't really have anything to do with the fact that people in the west are evil, but rather that the culture in certain parts of the world where manufacturing takes place is conductive to exploitation. For instance, if I buy a diamond ring, I am not responsible for lives taken with weapons that have been bought with diamonds. If I d…
And yes, I agree that will not be the case for everybody.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Africa]
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#14Note: This is an honest question. I also come from a place where skilled-workers make around $4 or $5/day. I think in many cases, $4/day is better than 0.
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#15Yeah, anything nice we have or use is thanks to people with crappy jobs... but there are people lining up out the door for those jobs, as they offer a better life than subsistence farming or scavenging garbage and living in a favela. And the places where those jobs don't exist are even worse off.
Not to excuse the creation of inhuman living and working conditions. But better to work for appropriate conditions, than broad-brush everyone a slaveowner.
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#16If we are buying products which were made, or have parts that were made, by people in terrible conditions, what would happen if we stopped buying those? Does it mean the people who use to make $1/day are now making $0/day which will lead to a harder life filled with crimes? Note: This is an honest question. I also come from a place where skilled-workers make around $4 or $5/day. I think in many cases, $4/day is bette…
The fact is that globalization fixes countries as "slave countries." It's very easy to control people by giving them a locally beneficial option. Which sounds better to you:
Make $1/day working 16 hours per day - spend the rest of your time sleeping/taking care of yourself/family.
Making $0/day refusing to work - spend your day working on building up your community in creative ways, but suffer much higher probability of personal/family death.
The option that 99.9% of people will take is #1. However, real change can't occur if everyone takes #1, so we have stasis.
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So . . . it's a game. I must admit, I find that a bit cold. Compare the approach to something like http://mercyhousecoffee.orgRe: Estimate how many slaves work for you based on your possessions and lifestyle.
#18They describe their calculations: http://slaveryfootprint.org/about/#methodology They appear to count "N slaves working for you" if they predict N slaves were involved in the production of anything you have, not the number you keep continuously employed.
Suppose 10 slaves work on an assembly line for a year and produce 100,000 soccer balls used by 100,000 people. In that case, these 100,000 people each have 10 slaves working for them.
On the other hand, suppose you had 100 slaves handcrafting 100,000 soccer balls. In that case, each of these 100,000 people has only 1 slave working for them.
This methodology seems to penalize inefficient manufacturing processes less than more efficient ones, even if the more efficient ones result in less slavery.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well the interface is very bad so I gave up after 8/11...
I have 34. I agree that it can use a lot of work. Some of the numbers didn't make sense. I don't get how I'm supposed to rank my shrimp consumption, for instance, on a scale of 0 to infinity...?
Apparently I contribute to lots of slavery (60) because I have lots of ball point pens and electronics.... doesn't make a ton of sense.
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#20A lot of the moral judgements made on the linked site about a materialistic lifestyle don't really have anything to do with the fact that people in the west are evil, but rather that the culture in certain parts of the world where manufacturing takes place is conductive to exploitation. For instance, if I buy a diamond ring, I am not responsible for lives taken with weapons that have been bought with diamonds. If I d…
There are two complicating factors here: visibility and paucity of influence. You can't see the bad thing happening and you, individually, don't have the power to stop it.
The interaction between visibility and morality is a complicated one, but the fact is that if people in the most affluent nations boycotted diamonds then diamond mining would cease. If people boycotted Coca-Cola and Fiji spring water then villagers would get their water back.
The fact that you can't control these situations also complicates things. You can stop buying Coca Cola but, unless everyone else does to, CC is just going to just keep on stealing resources.
I think that the thing I really dislike about your comment is that you have the audacity to condemn the wrongs committed, but lack the integrity to acknowledge that you play, at least, some very small part in those wrong things happening. Because you do. If you don't buy that diamond ring then that is real $$$ that the diamond miners don't get. The hole created by your boycott has a non-zero probability of shutting down a diamond mine. The fact is that you don't care. I'm not saying you should - I'm just saying you don't. And the people doing these "wrong" things don't care either. Perhaps you could say that you would do differently in their situation, but my guess is that you are REALLY not in their situation and you have no idea what their situation is AT ALL.
I get it. You're in a comfortable position. There's no reason for you to change. You probably don't care enough about people in China, etc. that you're actually going to significantly, or even insignificantly, change your day to help them out. In fact, it's not even clear that you can. This may sound like a criticism, but I really don't care what you do.
The main element missing from your comment is the answer to "what to do?" My guess is that your answer is "Nothing. There are bad people elsewhere, and I'm not to blame, so I do nothing. Let them figure it out." I guess I hope this isn't actually your answer and that you realize that it's a lot more complicated. These people are "unscrupulous" not because they're full of demons, but because globalization exerts pressure and men sacrifice their better intentions when faced with that pressure.