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Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by mh- » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

Jerrrry wrote: post #130

protonbob wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I would rather that they not try. I don't understand why a computer tool has to be held to a political standard.

There are legitimate reasons to reduce externalizations of societies innate biases. A mortgage AI that calculates premiums for the public shouldn't bias against people with historically black names, for example. This problem is harder to tackle because it is difficult to expose and resign the "latent space" that results in these biases; it's difficult to massage the ML algo's to identify and remove the pathways that…

> A mortgage AI that calculates premiums for the public shouldn't bias against people with historically black names, for example.

That's a great example, thanks. Also, I hope the teams working on that come up with a different solution...

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by bantou_41 » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

danielvf wrote: post #80

I am thrilled about DALL-E, and the new terms of service. However, how they implemented the improved "diversity" is hilarious. Turns out that they randomly, silently modify your prompt text to append words like "black male" or "female". See https://twitter.com/jd_pressman/status/1549523790060605440 I don't know which emotion I feel more - applause at how glorious this hack is or tears at how ugly it is. Good luck to…

Diversity = black now? That’s even more racist.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

The name "OpenAI" to me implies being open-source.

I have an RTX 3080 and will likely be buying a 4090 when it comes out. Will I ever be able to generate these images locally, rather than having to use a paid service? I've done it with DALL-E Mini, but the images from that don't hold a candle to what DALL-E 2 produces.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by kuprel » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

zikduruqe wrote: post #147

causi wrote: post #133

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Interesting. Considering this is now a paid product, is modifying user input covered by their ToS? If I was spending a lot of money on it I'd be rather annoyed my input was being silently polluted.

Don't spend money. Use https://www.craiyon.com

This one is faster, I ported it https://replicate.com/kuprel/min-dalle

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by numpad0 » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

unnah wrote: post #142

pornel wrote: post #37

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AFAIK only people can own copyright (the monkey selfie case tested this), and machine-generated outputs don't count as creative work (you can't write an algorithm that generates every permutation of notes and claim you own every song[1]), so DALL-E-generated images are most likely copyright-free. I presume OpenAI only relies on terms of service to dictate what users are allowed to do, but they can't own the images, a…

DALL-E can generate recognizable pictures of Homer Simpson, Batman and other commercial properties. Such images could easily be considered derivative works of the original copyrighted images that were used as training input. I'm sure there are plenty of corporate IP lawyers ready to argue the point at court.

I'm kind of surprised that no one had found "verbatim copy" cases as were made with GitHub Copilot. Such exact copies in photography are likely easier to go for than with code snippets.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by dymk » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:56 PM UTC

xnx wrote: post #76

I fully expect stock image sites to be swamped by DALL-E generated images that match popular terms (e.g. "business person shaking hands"). Generate the image for $0.15. Sell it for $1.00.

They'll likely immediately go out of business, because I can just pay OpenAI 15 cents directly for the exact same product.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by dylanlacom » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:57 PM UTC

xnx wrote: post #76

I fully expect stock image sites to be swamped by DALL-E generated images that match popular terms (e.g. "business person shaking hands"). Generate the image for $0.15. Sell it for $1.00.

Eh, I’d bet the arbitrage window is pretty brief, and that prices will fall closer to $0.15 pretty quickly.

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by aantix » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

bemmu wrote: post #58

I was supposed to be making a video game, but got a bit sidetracked when DALL·E came out and made this website on the side: http://dailywrong.com/ (yes I should get SSL). It's like The Onion, but all the articles are made with GPT-3 and DALL·E. I start with an interesting DALL·E image, then describe it to GPT-3 and ask it for an Onion-like article on the topic. The results are surprisingly good.

Parenting > "Gillette Releases a New Razor for Babies"

Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

totetsu wrote: post #111

I was really enjoying using Dalle2 to take surrealist walks around the latent image space of human cultural production. I was using it as one might use Wikipedia researching the links between objects and their representation. Also just to generate suggestion for what to have for lunch. None of this was for anything of commercial value to me. What am I to do now, start to find ways to sell the images I'm outputting? D…

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Re: DALL·E now available in beta

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Post by tptacek » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 5:59 PM UTC

causi wrote: post #133

danielvf wrote: post #80

I am thrilled about DALL-E, and the new terms of service. However, how they implemented the improved "diversity" is hilarious. Turns out that they randomly, silently modify your prompt text to append words like "black male" or "female". See https://twitter.com/jd_pressman/status/1549523790060605440 I don't know which emotion I feel more - applause at how glorious this hack is or tears at how ugly it is. Good luck to…

Interesting. Considering this is now a paid product, is modifying user input covered by their ToS? If I was spending a lot of money on it I'd be rather annoyed my input was being silently polluted.

Your input isn't being polluted by this any more than it is when the tokens in it are ground up into vectors and transformed mathematically. You just have an easier time understanding this transformation.