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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by peytoncasper »

Beltalowda wrote: post #428
peytoncasper wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're totally right. How ever will a tiny company like Apple compete against Blackberry with their massive marketshare advantage and extensive supply chain...

Blackberry was never "massive" in the same way that either Android or Apple are today. Blackberry had about 85 million users at its peak and while that sounds like a lot, it was essentially a fancy phone for checking emails and such, and is nowhere near the pervasive penetration in all aspects of society that have happened since then. All sorts of daily activities are harder – or even outright impossible – without an…

Thats not the argument though. The argument was about the ability for smaller companies to compete with larger incumbents. Specifically, around the impact that advanced manufacturing and supply chain relationships have on that competitiveness. Blackberry certainly had all those advantages at the time.

You're talking about features, of which a company can also develop themselves. There is no app so pervasive on either platform that makes owning an Android or iPhone such a requirement that automatically disqualifies any competitor. Unless of course you mean the UX provided by the OS.

It may be a pain to switch to some new phone or start up, but thats the job of a business. To convince me that their product is worth paying them money for.

Love the username :)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by vopi »

vopi wrote: post #438
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Where does it mention side loading? Still skimming the legal doc, but it just says basically they need to be fair and non-discriminatory about app-store access.

Nevermind, my ctrl-f'ing failed me. Ignore.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by toyg »

glogla wrote: post #426
buscoquadnary wrote: post #411

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It also starts to bother me quite a bit when we go from treating everyone equal before the law to creating certain requirements based on other factors. Further it seems more like a moat to keep anyone else from getting as big as these "digital gatekeepers" are as suddenly when you get to a certain size you have an enormous expense. If these companies really are that large that they have to get special laws for them i…

> It also starts to bother me quite a bit when we go from treating everyone equal before the law to creating certain requirements based on other factors. This is completely normal for laws. Your kitchen at home doesn't have to follow the same rules as restaurant kitchen, for example. You as a driver of your personal car don't have to go through the same process and registration as truck drivers do. Small stalls selli…

I reckon this particular objection actually shows the forma mentis of developers. It seems like a lot of them feel like they are temporarily-embarrassed megacorps, worrying about things that will never really apply to them.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bloppe »

nemothekid wrote: post #431
bloppe wrote: post #305

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To your first point: I find it telling that your main concern with reducing Apple's monopoly power is that it would elevate Facebook's monopoly power. How about we design regulations that mitigate against monopoly power in all its forms? Then there would be viable alternatives to Facebook and all of the sudden their business model based on hostile tracking becomes completely unsustainable because there's meaningful c…

> Then there would be viable alternatives to Facebook and all of the sudden their business model based on hostile tracking becomes completely unsustainable because there's meaningful competition that actually respects their users. This assumes my problem is with Facebook and Facebook alone. My problem is with ad-tech and more generally all other developers. I know Apple exersts influence beyond their customers and I'…

> I'm not sympathetic to developers who cry about Apple not letting them run $program

You don't have to be sympathetic to developers. By sympathetic to yourself. Apple stifling competition and charging exorbitant rents absolutely harms you as a consumer.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Vespasian »

exabrial wrote: post #23
Gareth321 wrote: post #22

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>they will also harm the small players trying to get into the market because of the huge compliance risk. You will be pleased to hear that the legislation has a floor defined for "Gatekeepers" as only those with a fair market valuation over €75 billion.

Didn’t notice that. Thanks for pointing that out. I can’t recall a recent piece of regulation that had that provision so this will be interesting to see if it works in reality.

You will be extra pleased to learn that the DMA (this law) or it's cousin the DSA also has rules to restrict the formation of monopoly by limiting the ability of gatekeepers to buy out all competition even before the market dominance is established.

(As a side effect it'll probably result in fewer companies with unsustainable business models which are only funded to be bought out)

I'm looking forward to it and hope it'll work out.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by gattilorenz »

cm2187 wrote: post #444
buscoquadnary wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also starts to bother me quite a bit when we go from treating everyone equal before the law to creating certain requirements based on other factors. Further it seems more like a moat to keep anyone else from getting as big as these "digital gatekeepers" are as suddenly when you get to a certain size you have an enormous expense. If these companies really are that large that they have to get special laws for them i…

How do you break up the iphone? You create one company with a separate model of iphone for each country?

Hardware and software? But of course it's not an EU company

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Vespasian »

hgazx wrote: post #244
cloogshicer wrote: post #230

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How is interop between messengers a bad thing? Wouldn't it be amazing if you wouldn't have to switch between 100 messengers all the time?

Personally I keep a different persona in all those messengers and they are all different in the way that they work and the features that they offer. I’m happy compartmentalising things. Not to mention the spam problem that will likely occur.

I read the legislation as that still being possible.

There is no need for you to communicate with anybody who you don't want to communicate with.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pavlov »

glogla wrote: post #426
buscoquadnary wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also starts to bother me quite a bit when we go from treating everyone equal before the law to creating certain requirements based on other factors. Further it seems more like a moat to keep anyone else from getting as big as these "digital gatekeepers" are as suddenly when you get to a certain size you have an enormous expense. If these companies really are that large that they have to get special laws for them i…

> It also starts to bother me quite a bit when we go from treating everyone equal before the law to creating certain requirements based on other factors. This is completely normal for laws. Your kitchen at home doesn't have to follow the same rules as restaurant kitchen, for example. You as a driver of your personal car don't have to go through the same process and registration as truck drivers do. Small stalls selli…

Also, equality principles that apply to actual persons don’t necessarily make sense if applied to corporations.

A person, even if very rich, has a limited lifetime and a limited amount of hours in a day to spend. A corporation is immortal and can have 100,000 people simultaneously working on something. It’s bizarre if the law pretends that such an entity is just another human.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

This is amazing. I can't wait until these changes get implemented. I'll never understand boot-lickers that complain about this sort of thing. These devices are computers, I couldn't imagine my computer getting this locked down. Now, the EU just needs to outlaw soldered components that can be made interchangeable and all will be good in the world.
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