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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by tlamponi »

nemothekid wrote: post #255
tlamponi wrote: post #229

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1. Who talked about Linux? 2. Who said spam isn't a problem or that this act allows or even enforce to circumvent the strong privacy rules that the EU (not Apple) actually guarantees for their biggest single market in the world? News flash: you can combat spam and scams while keeping open and exchangeable basic infrastructure, without any walled garden. Otherwise, following your logic Apple would need to ban access t…

I don't know why you've decided to focus on confidence scams, it's like you are intentionally trying to dodge my point. > Otherwise, following your logic Apple would need to ban access to protocols like IP instantly But they _did_. The browser engine is another walled garden. HTTP is one of those "open protocols" that has been rife with spyware, but for some reasons people don't tend to cry as loudly when Apple banne…

Third party cookies are far from being required by spam or scams and that's actually an example how one can make platforms safer while keeping them open and exchangeable, as for that 3rd party cookies ain't needed at all and it's not a tech to prop up their garden's walls.

  > I enjoy looking forward to you educating people not install Instagram.
I never said anything about not installing Instagram just like I didn't argue those people should add doors or landlines to their houses ;-) So please, just stop it with propping up and taking down all those straw mans nobody talked about!

Rather, think common sense with a sexy lady offering their hot single friends to you, or some person offering you 10 million bucks as long as you can cover the small transaction fee of $1000, independent of the medium its send over (whatsapp, instagram, telegram, fb, irc, matrix, mail, ...)

And w.r.t your general suggestion that all devs just don't care about their users, it's anecdotal but personally I actually care a lot about UX and to offer users the information to allow them to make the right decision, that's one of main things I look out when reviewing UI or also API (as API users, even if developers themselves, are user too) patches, and I know quite a few other devs that try to do the same, not all "hate" their users.

> FB will spend $1B convincing your doctor that the FB App Store will cure cancer

Besides the point that they don't, that's again a complete straw man, nobody talked about that the FB app itself is a scam or evil or whatnot, it may even be, but that's not the point of the whole EU Act and your defense of Apples walled garden mechanisms like banning other payment providers, which still can and must be vetted to be even legal in the EU, or virtually breaking sharing of your data to other apps, that they can still vet and ensure basic security on.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by avgDev »

izolate wrote: post #307
avgDev wrote: post #269

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I actually provided some cons, unlike OP.

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I ignored the first part of your comment. As some opinions in fact are just "crap".

Python is the best.

C# is so much better than Java.

etc.

Those opinions provide no value and are "CRAP", similarly like OPs comments that "it just WORKS".

Do you also say your code is "just bad" during code reviews? That is quite constructive.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by rizza »

arghwhat wrote: post #242
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

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It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

Well, as an average iPhone user, no. The reliability is mediocre. Keyboard crashing, UI glitching and having wrong dimensions/inoperable sections, occasionally deciding that minimum brightness is the only allowed value and being entirely unresponsive to the brightness slider, some days using waaaay more battery with no battery accounting, sometimes requiring a reboot to use a Qi charger, occasionally freezing and dro…

This sounds like you have a hardware or software issue on your phone. make a backup (if you aren't using icloud backups already) and then make a genius bar appt. and see if they can fix this. I have never seen that level of glitchy-ness on an iphone without there being a serious issue. either on my own phones or during nearing a decade in IT.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pdimitar »

avgDev wrote: post #298
pdimitar wrote: post #272

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Surely there's a better way to criticize somebody's take on a topic? iDevices aren't perfect but they cover 95% of what I need from them. Can it be better, much better even? Absolutely, yes. But your comment is painting a doom picture that is just not there for many people.

I'm responding to "it just works" comment. It's not perfect even though apple has complete control over the ecosystem. The hardware is great but let's not pretend its perfect.

I don't think anyone here is pretending that it's perfect. It's just that your hyperbolic language in the other direction of the argument is giving off the wrong impression IMO.

I also don't think "it just works" implies perfect operation 100% of the time either. Usually it means "it doesn't work rarely enough that I don't notice".

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by judge2020 »

SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #250
iasay wrote: post #113

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While I agree with this, I'm interested in seeing what the long term security consequences are. These are all the highest risk API and integration surfaces on mobile devices. Also I hope Microsoft get pulled into this as well because they're slowly turning Windows into a marketing device. Edit: as an iOS user I'm optimistic that this will lead to complete device network whitelist capabilities though so you can neuter…

> I'm interested in seeing what the long term security consequences are. Negligible; most large-format computing devices already allow you to do all of these things.

And it tends to be a bad experience for anyone who doesn’t naturally gravitate towards HN when they eventually get malware or unwanted browser adware extensions.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by MrStonedOne »

Patrol8394 wrote: post #231
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

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It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

True, countless times I had to fix friends/family android tablets and phones where all of the sudden apps stopped working and will boot crash . It is always some crap like apps messing settings and permissions or play not being updated etc… I converted most of family to iPhone/iPad problem solved. I am a tech person but when it comes to phones I want the damn thing just to work and simple to use.

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by ahtihn »

tgv wrote: post #114
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

> User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service.

Safari is a garbage browser. Why is it good that people are forced to use a bad browser?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by antonymy »

igorkraw wrote: post #131
shadowgovt wrote: post #101

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Possibly. The other possibility is it will make it impossible to buy an iPhone in Europe. It certainly puts a huge incentive on Apple to figure out technical solutions to problems like "How do we get other browser engines on this thing without compromising a hundred OS assumptions, battery performance, or user security," but it's also possible Apple decides that's a no-go and it'll cost more than 25% of annual revenu…

Last I checked the EU was still the largest single market block in the world. Maybe that changed since then, but I don't think Apple will simply cede that to a competitor - especially since it would go heavily against their "we care about users" narrative.

EU's a very large, very wealthy market, but not the biggest for Apple. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe Android owns more than 60% of the EU market. Even so, writing off the EU would be further knee-capping Apple's global market share, and would for certain constitute a more than 10% drop in revenue, and not just for this year, for all years going forward until they find a way back into it. So no I don't think Apple's going anywhere.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by asah »

akersten wrote: post #215
fbanon wrote: post #192

What HackerNews thinks will happen: "zomg, I will finally be able to run Arch on my iPhone!" What will actually happen: "honey, something is wrong with my phone, whenever I unlock it, a popup jumps up that says 'Please update the Adobe™ Updater™ to get up to date Adobe™ Software Updates', could you take a look at it?"

Yeah, I'm honestly shocked at how welcomed the concept of "the government is telling developers that they must make their product less secure and streamlined" is here... This will not bring the interoperability utopia many believe, unless you mean 8 different app updaters bogging down your phone because now there's "competition" and the DrainMyBattery Store only charges 15% fees so it's the only place you can get Coo…

small price for an open ecosystem.

honestly, Apple had their chance and while claiming to self-police, in fact they enacted an obvious walled garden that went way way way beyond security requirements.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bloppe »

fbanon wrote: post #192

What HackerNews thinks will happen: "zomg, I will finally be able to run Arch on my iPhone!" What will actually happen: "honey, something is wrong with my phone, whenever I unlock it, a popup jumps up that says 'Please update the Adobe™ Updater™ to get up to date Adobe™ Software Updates', could you take a look at it?"

It sounds like you don't understand what's actually in this regulation. There are some good summaries posted in this very comment thread.
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