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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Patrol8394 »

brtkdotse wrote: post #185
yoavm wrote: post #100

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Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

True, countless times I had to fix friends/family android tablets and phones where all of the sudden apps stopped working and will boot crash . It is always some crap like apps messing settings and permissions or play not being updated etc… I converted most of family to iPhone/iPad problem solved.

I am a tech person but when it comes to phones I want the damn thing just to work and simple to use.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 »

piker wrote: post #219
josephg wrote: post #208

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I don’t see how your walled garden is threatened by giving Melbourne Trams the ability to use the NFC chip in my phone to pay for rides. Or threatened by Amazon having the ability to add an in-app purchase button to their iPhone app which uses my saved Amazon payment options. I’m sure apple will fight this tooth and nail, but it’s my phone. I paid for it. I want to be able to do what I want with my device.

Because it requires the devotion of Apple's resources to supporting non-Apple things. It will necessarily degrade certain experiences away from those that Apple would provide without the regulation.

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bena »

Zealotux wrote: post #45
randomhodler84 wrote: post #38

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Can confirm this, I once installed a package on my Linux machine that wasn't approved by a multi-billion dollar company, my computer exploded.

Browser toolbars. It's just going to be browser toolbars all over again.

Sure, you may not install them. You may be perfectly meticulous with what you install on your devices. But not everyone is.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by ensignavenger »

amelius wrote: post #79
varispeed wrote: post #34

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Does it mean Google will have to enable call recording APIs on Android? That would be sweet. Currently none of call recording apps work on my phone and this is a must have feature for me. When I take a call with my doctor I have to use my separate memo recorder, so that I can refer to the call in the future if I forget something. Let's not mention usefulness of this feature when you are placing orders over the phone…

> If I could record a call I had evidence in case of dispute. It might not be legal to do that, in all cases, and the evidence might not be valid.

Depending on where they are located... the vast majority of US states are one-party consent states. And many businesses already have a recording when you call them informing parties that the call may be recorded, which clear more legal hurdles in more jurisdictions.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by amelius »

brtkdotse wrote: post #185
yoavm wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

> the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden.

Yeah, but now you can choose which walled garden you lock yourself up in, so it's even better.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dbrgn »

jarbus wrote: post #190

Why is the EU able to pass pro-consumer laws, but America unable to? Are big tech companies just unable to properly bribe the European Union like they do the American Government?

Because of institutional corruption. Lawrence Lessig has some great talks about this topic, here's one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okfLPvBjImM Here's another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCo2bE9Gtk

(Lawrence Lessig, a law professor, was one of the founders of Creative Commons. He later tried to change US copyright laws to be more consumer-friendly, but concluded that it's almost impossible to do so as long as corporate interests rule politics. He then shifted his research topics to institutional corruption in politics. He actually ran for presidency a few years ago, with funding only from the popuplation, and limited to a certain amount. It failed, he wasn't even invited to TV debates because "if he doesn't take company money he doesn't have a chance".)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by lizardactivist »

bloppe wrote: post #102
lizardactivist wrote: post #98

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I accuse tech gatekeepers of many things, but arson is not one. Any chance you could provide references to these claims?

Me neither. But the US government looks after their corporations and their markets, and has never been above espionage, sabotage, and petty vindictiveness. In particular since it believes the EU markets should be theirs to do with as they wish, and that the EU government is the enemy standing in their way.

And occasionally I see patterns of events where the time, place, circumstances and outcome makes me suspect sabotage.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by chrisfinazzo »

josephg wrote: post #208
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

I don’t see how your walled garden is threatened by giving Melbourne Trams the ability to use the NFC chip in my phone to pay for rides. Or threatened by Amazon having the ability to add an in-app purchase button to their iPhone app which uses my saved Amazon payment options. I’m sure apple will fight this tooth and nail, but it’s my phone. I paid for it. I want to be able to do what I want with my device.

I'm not thrilled with their having to open up most of these areas, but it's doable. If the API's don't already exist (read: Private, for Apple's use only) they can be written - that's an item on the to-do list, but it's not crazy.

However, the Apple Pay & NFC stuff just rubs me the wrong way. The only reason they have been begging for this is the ability to collect more data about riders, which isn't necessary and probably would get sold to third parties for the purpose of serving ads and other services.

I want none of this and those firms can kindly fuck off right into the Sun.

Existing API's do the basics just fine.

Thank $deity the MTA didn't entertain any of this bullshit when they rolled out OMNY. Now if we could get NJTransit on board, we'd be all set.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by amelius »

Patrol8394 wrote: post #231
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

True, countless times I had to fix friends/family android tablets and phones where all of the sudden apps stopped working and will boot crash . It is always some crap like apps messing settings and permissions or play not being updated etc… I converted most of family to iPhone/iPad problem solved. I am a tech person but when it comes to phones I want the damn thing just to work and simple to use.

That family doesn't know how to keep proper phone hygiene shouldn't mean they get to force their locked down stuff on the rest of us.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by philliphaydon »

avgDev wrote: post #218

Oh please spare me this crap. This isn't true at all. I knew this was bs before switching to iphone but I was optimistic. Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. The device keeps connecting to open networks while my remembered home network is available. The camera lens has issues with glare…

> Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast.

What's trash about it? Never had any issues with it, ever.

> My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices.

Bugging out and notifying you a few minutes late for what? I get text messages on my watch at exactly the same time as my phone.

> The device keeps connecting to open networks while my remembered home network is available.

The device will only connect to networks you've connected to before. So this is user error. It's simple, forget that network.

> The camera lens has issues with glare in the sun.

This is a problem with any phone, or any camera?

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