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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by capableweb »

losvedir wrote: post #143

I'm sort of surprised at the positive tone here. Sure, it's nice for non-technical people to enumerate a lot of nice to haves, but just asserting something doesn't make it true or possible. As one example, making "core messaging functionality interoperable". How exactly does that work with end-to-end encryption? I suppose we'd need some sort of open system and protocol for all the tricky key sharing stuff? That would…

> How exactly does that work with end-to-end encryption?

Exactly how we deal with everything else that works across platforms: standardization. We've done it at least once before (SSL/TLS), I'm sure these rich and "amazingly smart" companies can figure out how to achieve it once again.

> Isn't there, again, some hardware security issues in play with that?

Is there hardware security issues with accept CC details on the web? Assuming the computer itself isn't compromised, the web seems to (again) have figured out how to deal with it across platforms, both OSes and browsers, why can't phone OSes do it?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by rvz »

tgv wrote: post #114
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

> User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service.

See. It is frankly pointless. Chrome already has a significant amount of mindshare and will grow even more after this.

The users have already chosen Chrome (and its derivatives). Mozilla has done absolutely nothing to stop it as Firefox has become totally irrelevant today. The EU is about to allow the world domination of Chrome and its derivatives to takeover entirely.

Just like the many choices of a Linux distro, you will have the many choices of Chromium based browsers! All thanks to 'oPEn SoUrcE'.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by aloisdg »

benbristow wrote: post #71
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Wonder if this will also apply outside the EU (e.g. now Britain)

Let's hope that the Brussels effect does its magic

> The Brussels effect is the process of unilateral regulatory globalisation caused by the European Union de facto (but not necessarily de jure) externalising its laws outside its borders through market mechanisms. Through the Brussels effect, regulated entities, especially corporations, end up complying with EU laws even outside the EU for a variety of reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by dane-pgp »

bkfh wrote: post #91

What I don't understand about messaging is, do only the large providers have to be interoperable among each other or can I create my own crappy messaging app and integrate with WhatsApp, Messenger, Signal et al.? Edit: typo

That's a good question, but I assume that anti-trust regulators will decide what is "reasonable" partly based on the number of users of your messaging app.

Obviously there's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem there, but if one of these gatekeepers has 100 million users, then it is hard to justify them writing and maintaining a load of extra code to interoperate with an app that has less than, say, 1 million users.

Perhaps in practice, though, the gatekeepers will be able to publish a simple API and say that all competitors who want to interoperate with them can do so, after signing a contract with their lawyers and exchanging public keys in person, and paying an administrative fee (to prevent spammers).

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by aloisdg »

fsflover wrote: post #127
amelius wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I now install Linux on an iPhone?

You already can have a phone running GNU/Linux (Librem 5 or Pinephone) though.

Yes but I may have a on old working iphone laying in my desktop that I would like to reuse for ecological reason

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by capableweb »

iasay wrote: post #148
capableweb wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If "Install any software" becomes real and I can start writing software on Linux for iPhone, without requiring me to have a Mac, I'll become an instant iPhone fanboy as the hardware is second to none. It's the software that is stopping the phone from becoming the best one around.

I think that's completely unrealistic. It's not going to happen even if they open the platform up.

If the platform becomes open enough so we can side-load applications, I bet you 100EUR we'll be able to develop iPhone applications from any operating system, but first Linux, within a year :)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by iasay »

losvedir wrote: post #143

I'm sort of surprised at the positive tone here. Sure, it's nice for non-technical people to enumerate a lot of nice to haves, but just asserting something doesn't make it true or possible. As one example, making "core messaging functionality interoperable". How exactly does that work with end-to-end encryption? I suppose we'd need some sort of open system and protocol for all the tricky key sharing stuff? That would…

The messaging interoperability is actually very worrying with the current discourse on scanning messages for certain content from the EU. Also various factions in the EU have been completely against end to end encryption.

What we can expect is weak protection on request of the government which puts people genuinely at risk.

If that happens I cannot possibly support the DMA or the EU on this but it'll be too late before it becomes apparent.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by j16sdiz »

pdpi wrote: post #60
randomhodler84 wrote: post #38

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> Use an unsupported browser full of RCE vulns While I sympathise with your overall sentiment, I have no reason to believe Firefox or Chrome would have any more RCE vulns than Safari does, and their respective engines not being deeply integrated with the OS potentially means one less vector for a hypothetical RCE to escalate privileges.

It is not the big names like firefox or chrome. It's those cute colorful browser that bundles some outdated engine.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by iasay »

capableweb wrote: post #156
iasay wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's completely unrealistic. It's not going to happen even if they open the platform up.

If the platform becomes open enough so we can side-load applications, I bet you 100EUR we'll be able to develop iPhone applications from any operating system, but first Linux, within a year :)

Note that I'm side loading two applications I actually wrote myself on my iPhone already...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Gareth321 »

rvz wrote: post #152
tgv wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service.

See. It is frankly pointless. Chrome already has a significant amount of mindshare and will grow even more after this. The users have already chosen Chrome (and its derivatives). Mozilla has done absolutely nothing to stop it as Firefox has become totally irrelevant today. The EU is about to allow the world domination of Chrome and its derivatives to takeover entirely. Just like the many choices of a Linux distro, yo…

As a Chrome user I feel obligated to defend my use as: "I like it the most." As long as Google continues to offer a better experience, I don't mind them dominating the market. *As long as they don't use anticompetitive practises to prevent competition.* IE, backed by the most powerful tech company on the planet (at the time), used to be 95% of the internet. If IE can fall, so can Chrome.
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