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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by internet_user » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 6:36 PM UTC

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #350

internet_user wrote: post #349

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Irrelevant. a plainly false statement was made: "it's the only truly global pandemic in a century", your goalposts movements notwithstanding. Lack of knowledge around basic facts of the field (public health) is a clear and immediate disqualification from any further consideration. Do you really make suggestions on changes to public heath and epidemiology based on "a quick google"? Best of luck to you.

> Do you really make suggestions on changes to public heath and epidemiology based on "a quick google"? This is nonsensical ranting. The idea that "There can and should be changes to public health and epidemiology" is not the same as "making suggestions personally", do not conflate them. For the former, all that you need to know is if others have found areas for improvement, and clearly they have (1), so your stateme…

The WHO decided they were a true pandemic. Take it up with the WHO experts to reclassify them as something else.

Until then enjoy being wrong.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by internet_user » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

nathanaldensr wrote: post #310

yucky wrote: post #139

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>sorry i'm rereading your post and I'm not even sure what your issue is with the current definition Really? So the definition the CDC used for years to describe vaccines had to be changed, since by their own definition the COVID vaccine wasn't actually a vaccine. And the best part is they didn't even announce & explain the change, they just stealthily modified it on their website. And you don't understand why so many…

Remember, the gaslighters want you to feel crazy for noticing these things, when in fact it's a very rational reaction to have. Remember, they imply that you are the crazy one for mistrusting government, and all past incidents that show government (and the pharmaceutical industry) are not to be trusted are to be merely handwaved away. It was, quite frankly, a psyop of the highest order. And they're still pushing it,…

The thread dropped off the front page so quickly, despite huge amount of comments.

must be another deboosted keyword in here somewhere!

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by dahinds » Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 10:44 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #185

dahinds wrote: post #100

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Polio vaccine has the same behavior, so it isn't really bending the meaning of the word.

Isn't the number of polio cases way, way down since the polio vaccine was introduced, to the point that it's almost eradicated now? How could that have happened if all it did were make infections less severe?

There are two types of polio vaccine. The one used where polio is circulating (oral vaccine) is a live virus and provides more protection against transmission but isn't super effective and (rarely) can cause paralysis. The inactivated vaccine (injection) mostly just protects against severe disease. Here's a paper that says the oral vaccine produces 70-80% protection against transmission and the inactivated vaccine produces 20-30% protection: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486742/

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 10:36 AM UTC

internet_user wrote: post #351

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you really make suggestions on changes to public heath and epidemiology based on "a quick google"? This is nonsensical ranting. The idea that "There can and should be changes to public health and epidemiology" is not the same as "making suggestions personally", do not conflate them. For the former, all that you need to know is if others have found areas for improvement, and clearly they have (1), so your stateme…

The WHO decided they were a true pandemic. Take it up with the WHO experts to reclassify them as something else. Until then enjoy being wrong.

Thank you for answering the question on the _severity_ of previous pandemics in the 20th century. Your insight and expertise, your attention to detail, and your understanding of what you reply to, has enriched us all.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by josephcsible » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 1:10 AM UTC

dahinds wrote: post #353

josephcsible wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the number of polio cases way, way down since the polio vaccine was introduced, to the point that it's almost eradicated now? How could that have happened if all it did were make infections less severe?

There are two types of polio vaccine. The one used where polio is circulating (oral vaccine) is a live virus and provides more protection against transmission but isn't super effective and (rarely) can cause paralysis. The inactivated vaccine (injection) mostly just protects against severe disease. Here's a paper that says the oral vaccine produces 70-80% protection against transmission and the inactivated vaccine pr…

Sure. I guess my point is that we have OPV to thank for the near-eradication of polio, and that all of the COVID vaccines are instead more like IPV.