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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by FreqSep »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #357
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

It seems to be your idea, that America is prosperous despite freedom, and that we must carefully dole out the freedom lest we lose our edge. I believe that America was founded on the idea that we could be great because we are free, and that giving our people the opportunity to thrive and be productive will only, in the long run, make our prosperity that much greater. It's been said that the Constitution is not a suic…

> we should toss out the Bill of Rights anytime it seems inconvenient to our short-term ends

We already do this. You have the right to bear arms - just not nuclear ones.

America has always had to place reasonable restrictions on rights to ensure the public good.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by duxup »

mbg721 wrote: post #456
duxup wrote: post #451

If US or other nations can’t run a social media app in China, I see no reason the US or other nations should allow China to do it in their country.

It's less true in the modern world, but traditionally, "The US" doesn't run any kind of business. It's like the anecdote where Gorbachev saw a supermarket and asked which government official was in charge of making sure it was stocked.

The US runs hardly any businesses… and yet it clearly matters to China if the business is Chinese regarding if you get to run a social media company locally…

It still matters.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by throwaway6734 »

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #372
throw0101a wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player > Are you sure? Would you rather have someone else / some other country (other than the US) be the hegemon? If so, who? And are they willing to do it?

Perhaps it would be better if nobody was the hegemon eh?

multipolar worlds have not worked well in the past.

As an American, I would love for the EU to get more unified and take the reins, but in the mean time, a US hegemon is required for global stability

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by FreqSep »

bamboozled wrote: post #217
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

> Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to the government. Yes western governments are totally full of shit too, the proof of this is that Julian Assange is still be…

> Yes western governments are totally full of shit too, the proof of this is that Julian Assange is still being crucified for leaking information, for being a whistle blower.

That’s just not true. Many leakers and whistle blowers aren’t prosecuted every year.

Julian Assange is a pretty transparent Russian asset and has been for a number of years. There’s a reason he never leaks anything that is negative of Putin. Meanwhile if it’s anti-American he leaks it in full without taking any standard journalist precautions.

Of course he can pull the “I’m just a journalist bro” card, but the act is over and his time is up.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by throwaway6734 »

dgb23 wrote: post #328
ChrisLomont wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The USA ranks 26th for median wealth Wealth is also a function of age - older people tend to have more - and that ranking is not normalized by such extraneous factors. The US is number 2 by median income, and number 1 for median disposable income, both of which are pretty important, especially to younger people that want cash flow to enjoy life.

Number 1 for disposable income sounds off. Are daycare, tuitions, healthcare, public transport, rent/mortgages etc. factored in?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_c...

not sure how accurate wikipedia is here, but I've seen this claim elsewhere

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by mrjin »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

I don't think it really has anything to do with whatever FCC claims.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by throwaway6734 »

layer8 wrote: post #337
lazyeye wrote: post #301

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Ive never understood why the concept of reciprocity is so obvious yet never discussed. China blocks your apps, you block theirs. I guess you'd have to be an idiot like Trump to even suggest such a thing.

“The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.”

The US is in direct competition with China. Why let someone play by rules that are more advantageous to them if you dont have to?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by sudosysgen »

hackerlight wrote: post #235
Barrin92 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically I think you can make a pretty strong case that both the Chinese and American governments are more of a threat to their own citizens data wise given that citizens tend to primarily be pestered within their own jurisdiction.

That's not unreasonable. What I'd disagree with is if people thought a company based in a foreign liberal democracy presented a similar threat to a company based in China, which has an authoritarian government where state & corporations are largely merged and which is entangled in balance of power disputes with the US.

The US acts exactly like an authoritarian country in foreign interactions. Murder, wars of aggression, facilitating genocide, espionage, and so on. History shows that if you are not American then the US will treat you as if it is an authoritarian state.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by drvdevd »

One interesting aspect of this case is that, should Apple and Google follow through and force TikTok off their App Stores - many people will feel quite "disenfranchised" due to the popularity of the App.

This would force many who would otherwise never think about the consequences of these walled garden ecosystems and their lack of control, to suddenly have to do so.

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