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Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by jefftk »

nottorp wrote: post #49
jefftk wrote: post #33

This is wrong: try downloading something with Safari, which blocks third party cookies by default, and it works fine. Instead, the problem is that downloading from Google Drive is using User-Agent sniffing to determine whether third party cookies are expected to be enabled, and choosing between implementations. (Disclosure: I used to work at Google, but I don't know anything internal on this)

Or Safari has an exception for google cookies.

If you open developer tools you can see cookies aren't being sent.

Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by depressedpanda »

zmxz wrote: post #46
giancarlostoro wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly anyone concerned about a Chrome / WebKit browser monopoly needs to use Firefox now if you already are not.

I'd love to, but it's simply unusable compared to Chrome when it comes to web development.

How so? I use Firefox for web dev, and I don't find it unusable compared to Chrome.

Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by markussss »

zmxz wrote: post #46
giancarlostoro wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly anyone concerned about a Chrome / WebKit browser monopoly needs to use Firefox now if you already are not.

I'd love to, but it's simply unusable compared to Chrome when it comes to web development.

I have not found any shortcomings in Firefox for web development, so I'm wondering if you could you elaborate on what features are missing, or what killer features for web development Chrome has that Firefox doesn't?

Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by dmitriid »

sneak wrote: post #30
pjerem wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that you are giving full power for creating de-facto standards to the rendering engine. If Blink decides to support a feature, it becomes a de-facto standard even if the feature solely serves Google (think FLoC, AMP ...) or is hard to replicate. It's also an issue because now the web is at risk to become only usable from devices that are physically able to run Blink/Webkit which means nobody in the fut…

Neither FLoC nor AMP are part of the renderer. AMP isn't even clientside, it is a feature of the Google search webapp. If Google were trying to leverage the renderer to assert Chrome over say Brave or Edge, sure, but they're not, and if they do, it will be forked. Do we have the same concerns over type layout engine monoculture?

> If Google were trying to leverage the renderer to assert Chrome over say Brave or Edge, sure, but they're not, and if they do, it will be forked.

Google has already asserted that. Brave and Edge are a footnote to a footnote to a distant appendix, and are almost entirely reliant on Google to provide the rendering engine.

Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by squidbeak »

sneak wrote: post #19
giancarlostoro wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly anyone concerned about a Chrome / WebKit browser monopoly needs to use Firefox now if you already are not.

I don't see any problems with a monoculture of rendering engine. Browser (and features, especially privacy ones), absolutely. Renderer, not so much.

You've forgotten what it was like at the turn of the century. It took a long while for us to break the previous monoculture and clear the way for the innovation we've enjoyed since.

Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by rpastuszak »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #17
newscracker wrote: post #15

If you’re anyway using Google Drive, you could use Firefox with the Google Container extension [1] to limit Google’s tracking activities across Google tabs to this container. Also install Cookie AutoDelete [2] and let the cookies, cache, local storage, etc., get cleared soon after you close the tabs. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-contai... [2]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/add…

Honestly anyone concerned about a Chrome / WebKit browser monopoly needs to use Firefox now if you already are not.

At this stage, I think we can draw a line between WebKit and Blink, so even having more WebKit based browsers would be a welcome change.

I'd still prefer to see a mainstream Gecko based browser, of course! I think outside of the tech crowd FF is pretty niche.

Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by Forgeties79 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #17
newscracker wrote: post #15

If you’re anyway using Google Drive, you could use Firefox with the Google Container extension [1] to limit Google’s tracking activities across Google tabs to this container. Also install Cookie AutoDelete [2] and let the cookies, cache, local storage, etc., get cleared soon after you close the tabs. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-contai... [2]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/add…

Honestly anyone concerned about a Chrome / WebKit browser monopoly needs to use Firefox now if you already are not.

What are your thoughts on brave browser? I’ve used it over firefox for about two years now and I really enjoy it.

Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by jackmott »

sneak wrote: post #47
gorgoiler wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever used a service in life where there is no competition? Straight up lack of competition examples are the easiest: DMV, airport food court, buying beer at a sports stadium etc. If you work in tech then you’ve probably had to use software over whose purchase you had no control: Jira, PeopleHR, Taleo, Concur. There’s no competition there because you, the end user, don’t have the option to choose from a free…

We are talking at cross purposes: your comment is a reasonable refutation of a browser monoculture, something we agree would be bad. FWIW I am typing my response to you in Graphene. Ultimately the issue is: what is the harm in using a library maintained by Google to do the webview rendering in a non-Google browser? I just don't see it.

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Re: To download from Google Drive, you must enable third party cookies?

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Post by nirvdrum »

sneak wrote: post #47
gorgoiler wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever used a service in life where there is no competition? Straight up lack of competition examples are the easiest: DMV, airport food court, buying beer at a sports stadium etc. If you work in tech then you’ve probably had to use software over whose purchase you had no control: Jira, PeopleHR, Taleo, Concur. There’s no competition there because you, the end user, don’t have the option to choose from a free…

We are talking at cross purposes: your comment is a reasonable refutation of a browser monoculture, something we agree would be bad. FWIW I am typing my response to you in Graphene. Ultimately the issue is: what is the harm in using a library maintained by Google to do the webview rendering in a non-Google browser? I just don't see it.

Google can do pretty much whatever it wants when it's the only player in the space. It certainly hasn't been shy about doing things outside of a standards body. Sure, it's open source, but can you meaningfully influence the direction of the project? If you decide to fork and deviate from what stock Chrome is doing, you're apt to be locked out similarly to sites that don't support Firefox or Safari.

It looks pretty similar to what MS was doing with IE, just with a dash of "here you can skin this thing". The biggest differences being that Google has a strong interest in ensuring the web is the app platform of choice, rather than a desktop OS. On the other hand, Google needs to sell targeted ads, so it's unlikely to be the standard bearer for web privacy.

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