There's a whole universe out there. We're not even close to exhausting how much we could grow.
Pioneering economist says our obsession with growth must end
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#12Without peaceful growth, eventually there will be military growth [expansion by the means of military violence]. Op is right that our Earth is limited and cannot grow indefinitely. Sometimes it will be followed by redistribution of growth, so that someone will continue to grow, while others will experience radical negative growth
“I know a profound pattern which humans deny with their words even while their actions affirm it. They say they seek security and quiet, the condition they call peace. Even as they speak, they create the seeds of turmoil and violence. If they find their quiet security, they squirm in it.” - Dune
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#13Honestly I think this is obvious to anyone who is not financially motivated to think otherwise. The biggest problem is the rich have created a system in which people's future (retirement) is basically linked to "the market" growing over their lifetime. And the hopes that if they get lucky enough with the market they can retire early (or at all). This system of course is built 100% on governments/employers not wanting…
The system is totally unsustainable... unless we're willing to have a society of debtors, noone is going to buy homes from the boomers.
The majority of retirement the average middle class has is their home.
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#14Without peaceful growth, eventually there will be military growth [expansion by the means of military violence]. Op is right that our Earth is limited and cannot grow indefinitely. Sometimes it will be followed by redistribution of growth, so that someone will continue to grow, while others will experience radical negative growth
Why can’t we have stability?
fear of stagnation... ?
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#15Is not growth inevitable? I hear criticisms of it but is it not what happens automatically when there is competition for resources? I can't really see what the alternative would be. I mean, ideally if you could just agree with everyone in the entire world that no one should strive for something better, we could stay where we are, but reaching such agreement seems impossible. And let's say instead we change direction…
Now imagine that everyone's retirement is tied to the child's growth in height only and the people with most power and influence benefit the most from every additional inch of height.
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#16Is not growth inevitable? I hear criticisms of it but is it not what happens automatically when there is competition for resources? I can't really see what the alternative would be. I mean, ideally if you could just agree with everyone in the entire world that no one should strive for something better, we could stay where we are, but reaching such agreement seems impossible. And let's say instead we change direction…
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#17Reminds me of the well-known quote I always enjoyed, though I never looked much into the context:
"If something cannot go on forever, it will stop."
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#18cool, what happens when a rival doesn't want to stop growing?
Re: Pioneering economist says our obsession with growth must end
#19Without peaceful growth, eventually there will be military growth [expansion by the means of military violence]. Op is right that our Earth is limited and cannot grow indefinitely. Sometimes it will be followed by redistribution of growth, so that someone will continue to grow, while others will experience radical negative growth
Why can’t we have stability?
Inequality and (rightful or wrongful) envy.
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#20The only real alternative to growth is decline and eventually death.
This is true for companies, individuals, and even countries.
I say our obsession with _not_ growing must end!