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Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by pygy_ »

in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

Animals studies (made IIRC by Pfizer or BioNTech, and using GFAP mRNA, not the spike protein) had shown that while most lipid nanoparticles stay at the injection sites, (quoting from memory) ~10-20% end up in the blood stream, then enter myocardial, hepatic, adrenal and gonadic tissues. In other words, organs that consume a large amount of cholesterol.

My informed guess would be that the nanoparticles combine with HDL/LDL in the blood stream, and end up in the cells that consume these, but this is speculation.

This would end up disrupting the ovarian endocrine cells (cholesterol is the chemical precursor of sex hormones), which can regenerate once the RNA and its product has been eliminated. The future egg cells should not be affected (and AFAIK the ovarian reserve is not damaged by the COVID vaccines), and neither is sperm production.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by mrguyorama »

inquirerGeneral wrote: post #169
nerdponx wrote: post #85

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Mishandle? They got the vaccine rolled out by August and September to start production. One of the few things Trump did correctly was the early pandemic handling while the cries of "stop travel from China" was called racist and unnecessary. There was nothing else that could have been done except fire the head of the CDC after their flip flop politics instead of science.

Operation warp speed was great.

It was literally everything else he did, and more importantly things he DIDN'T do that were terrible.

Remember that "smart people" warned Trump when he came in that this was something they expected for a while now, and that we had experienced very lucky outcomes in the close scares we had in the early 2000s. Obama warned Trump coming in to be ready for this. What was Trump's response to all these warnings from experts? He sold off the United State's strategic reserves of PPE to hucksters he knew that set up shell companies and fired all the "pandemic quick response" teams that had been set up by previous administrations

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by mrguyorama »

kaba0 wrote: post #207
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #109

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I work in healthcare and life sciences, I am vaxed, and I can say I fully believe you are correct. I have to attest and show my vax cards to keep my job or get a new one and - of all things - we had to show vax cards to go to a behind the scene animal encounter at a zoo. Does the vaccinne stop us from catching it or from giving it to others? There is no evidence, yet, that it does. Am I having to weasel word my post…

With all due respect, not knowing your exact position, working in healthcare may not be more relevant to the topic the same way an average software dev would have a hard time fixing a deep-lying race condition in the database software. Healthcare is a huge field, an orthopedic surgeon’s opinion for example should hardly matter over that of a virologist.

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Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by mrguyorama »

kaba0 wrote: post #211
PKop wrote: post #124

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This is an abuse of language: "universal vaccination" Is it a vaccine, or a therapy? Why does the supposed efficacy of the vaccines ability to prevent spread of covid wane so quickly? At best the vax is novel therapy that temporarily boosts immune system to fight the current strain. But whatever the side effects of this mechanism, they can accumulate with each successive round of boosters. Is it safe to keep taking t…

> but if they have to be repeatedly taken, they clearly do not effectively stop the spread of covid which the evidence shows. That’s just a logical fallacy. Aspirin cures my headache, but I will still get headaches - does that mean aspirin is useless?

More to the point, these "but it's non-sterilizing" complaints NEVER came up about other vaccines before COVID was made a political point by one political party

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by mrguyorama »

henry_bone wrote: post #157
fernandotakai wrote: post #37

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i took all three shots and got covid about two weeks ago. it was HARSH. no sense of smell, no sense of taste, 3 days with high-ish fever (39C), the body ache was crazy bad and worse of all: brain fog. i managed to avoid going to the hospital, but barely. and that's with 3 shots. i'm almost sure i would be in an ICU if i didn't get any shots.

I am 49yo, male. I'm healthy, but mildly overweight. I was very fit prior to the lockdowns (Melbourne, Vic, Australia), but I lacked the disciplinary wherewithall to maintain that fitness over the past couple of years. I have chosen not to receive any Covid19 vaccinations and so I am "unvaccinated". I thought it was never going to happen, but eventually I contracted covid19, over Easter period this year. I too experi…

My brother got COVID before he (reluctantly) got vaccinated. He was basically dead (not to the point of hospitalization) for several days.

My girlfriend got vaccinated and boosted, caught COVID, was bed ridden for several days and then general malaise and tiredness for two weeks.

I got vaccinated and boosted, went to the same party my girlfriend was infected at, stood next to the same people that infected her, took her to the hospital to get tested because we didn't think it was COVID, and I never even got infected.

Anecdotes are literally useless when discussing these things. There's so many individual variations about how you respond to COVID, to the point where your experience is likely affected by how stressed you have been the month you caught it.

This is why the people who actually care about understanding the issue collect large amounts of data, and that data largely shows getting a vaccine to significantly reduce your chance of getting it, and your chance of dying from it.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by mrguyorama »

magicalhippo wrote: post #108
in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

Yeah my SO had a very regular cycle before getting the vaccine (Pfizer). After the first shot it got totally out of whack. The doctors say they don't know why that is yet immediately follow up by saying "but the vaccine is completely safe". I'm no anti-vaxxer, but that trips my BS alert bigtime. All I hear is "duck and cover".

Consider things that can also de-regulate a woman's cycle:

Stress, eating different food, eating foods at different times, gaining a couple pounds, losing a couple pounds, getting sick, not sleeping enough, sleeping too much, etc etc etc.

The menstrual cycle is often a very sensitive system, and one I would argue most people are very unfamiliar with.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by mrguyorama »

throwaway406382 wrote: post #111
manwe150 wrote: post #91

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How bad is it for health? This paper also notes that the virus itself is of great concern foremost, so any conclusion must be in comparison to the alternative (aka the control group): “Studies and anecdotal reports are already demonstrating that menstrual function may be disrupted long term [by the virus], particularly in those with long COVID (32–35)” It seems so many commenters here miss that sentence, and live in…

It is possible to take a finite duration and look at the unvaccinated+covid, unvaccinated+no-covid, vaccinated+covid, vaccinated+no-covid and see differences. And the signals a so large between unvaccinated and vaccinated you don't need much in the way of fancy stats. Also consider that it wasn't until the late 90's that the flu vaccine was approved for pregnant women and they were still worried about it. So we have…

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Post by nerdponx »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #251
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #223

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Well the weird part here is it's separated to white and everyone else

I know of no variable we are trying to isolate with a 'white' vs 'everyone else' besides, perhaps, a hamfisted approach at trying to stratify over racism. Its very possible that the race of the healthcare provider has an impact depending on the race of the person receiving treatment, but I have no idea why they would make it 'white vs non-white' as the criteria. I certainly wouldn't.

Skimming the paper results, it might have been dredging for a significant effect showing that white people are less-badly affected. "The vaccine has racist side effects" is an eye-catching headline.

I hate to be so cynical, but it's hard not to be.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by incrudible »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #242
incrudible wrote: post #221

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Show me the clinical trial that shows a benefit for administration of a Booster, or even just two doses, providing a net benefit for a healthy young person, after accounting for hazards like Myocarditis, with an Omikron infection. It doesn't exist, nor does anyone "in charge" want it to exist, or so it appears. The FDA waved through a trial for children with a sample size of about 1000, almost guaranteeing that a rar…

https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-charts-omicron-hospitali... Over 50s effect of vaccination on hospitalization. If it is protecting older people against hospitalization then we can expect it to protect younger people from severe effects too. Unless you think the over 50s are some sort of frog vs the younger tadpole. Plenty more everywhere. So why would some of us be so vehemently anti-vax? 1) Belief in 'natural'.…

> Over 50s effect of vaccination on hospitalization.

This sort of population-level data is bogus. The data is usually fudged in some way, for example by making it difficult to get counted as "vaccinated" after infection.

The source you quoted (at the end of '21) claimed a factor of 18x to 52x difference in hospitalization rate, but the current data has that down to a factor of 2.7x to 3.8x:

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMTgwMzZlZWYtN2E0Ny0...

Did the vaccine really lose that much in potency? Do the boosters work at all? That data can't tell us and this is why we need trials.

> Over 50s effect of vaccination on hospitalization. If it is protecting older people against hospitalization then we can expect it to protect younger people from severe effects too.

We may expect that, but we can't know. We do know that the infection risk is massively lower in the younger age groups. We also know the risk for Myocarditis after vaccination is massively higher in the younger age groups, particularly in males. We don't know why that is, however. Remember, we're not just looking for a risk reduction for one particular disease that many people already had anyway, we're looking for a net benefit of further administrations.

> So why would some of us be so vehemently anti-vax?

All irrelevant to the lack of scientific data. For you to cough up some "business insider" article tells me you haven't exactly followed the relevant publications (or lack thereof) either.

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