don't the Russians have hypersonic intercontinental nukes that are impossible to stop because they are non ballistic (can quickly / abruptly change direction) and super fast? not convinced mutually assured destruction is over
Will AI steal submarines’ stealth?
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russian subs are already in the Great Lakes.
Passing through Montreal and Quebec City at 27' of depth in the dead of night (challenging for a Yasen at 32' draft but possibly some freak condition might make it possible) a few drunks watching in awe as it slides silently under bridges. River patrol craft carefully edging out of the way (a tearful salute offered to brave comrades, perhaps a lifted glass of Vodka or a gentle pat on the wallet to acknowledge regular…
> Just when HN seemed to have settled into semi-intelligent tech talk we get this
Oh, HN has always been like this on topics not directly related to tech.
Re: Will AI steal submarines’ stealth?
#154If submarines became non stealth we would likely see carrier groups and other missile ships providing high speed resilient second strike capability. A potentially destabilizing effect might be to motivate the creation of second/first strike satellite hosted weapons.
Do Russia have the economic means any more to go building new carrier groups, let alone new ballistic missiles?
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Like lasers?
Optics would need line of sight. The earth's curvature puts a very hard limit to how far you could communicate. The accepted standard in underwater is VLF, but as the name implies you are only capable of very low data rates.
Curvature doesn’t affect line of sight between the sub and a satellite.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Passing through Montreal and Quebec City at 27' of depth in the dead of night (challenging for a Yasen at 32' draft but possibly some freak condition might make it possible) a few drunks watching in awe as it slides silently under bridges. River patrol craft carefully edging out of the way (a tearful salute offered to brave comrades, perhaps a lifted glass of Vodka or a gentle pat on the wallet to acknowledge regular…
While the parent post here is (I hope) a joke, the reply here is beautifully written and now I want a full length story of how this could happen.
I want a TV show about this submarine, but a comedy like Hogan’s heroes lol.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Optics would need line of sight. The earth's curvature puts a very hard limit to how far you could communicate. The accepted standard in underwater is VLF, but as the name implies you are only capable of very low data rates.
Curvature doesn’t affect line of sight between the sub and a satellite.
True but if your emitter is not underwater like the receiver then you will have to account for air/water refraction not sure how that would work in the real world. Also I suspect it would be fairly easy for a rogue state to infer submarine locations from emitter beam orientation in low orbit space.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great lakes commercial fisherman and also crew on container ships have said for years that they see weird stuff dozens of miles offshore in the Great lakes. Fish stories and all that. But there is precedent for submarines and even aircraft carriers in the Great lakes. Lake Michigan is filled with crashed trainer aircraft from WWII.
Can you be more specific about the weird stuff? Are you suggesting the Great Lakes are occupied by foreign states? A comment above mentions a demilitarization treaty of the Great Lakes.
> Are you suggesting the Great Lakes are occupied by foreign states?
I am definitely not suggesting it's a foreign state. That's less probable than unknown domestic military activities.
Reports of odd lights in sky or water. Or general nonspecific stories of "weird shit".
There's more too, but those are fish stories (sharks, people claim).
I like to do outdoorsy stuff, so this is what I've heard from fisherman, ferrymen, etc.
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It does seem silly, but not out or the realm of possibility. The Great Lakes stretch further north and closer to the Russian heartland than almost any land in America. Any international waters further north and closer by great circle distance to Moscow, besides the north Atlantic, are covered in ice part of the year. Someone said it's cheaper to dig holes in the ground. The problem is those holes are on a first strik…
Can you provide a map which indicates how the "Great lakes" (Lakes Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie, and Ontario) are somehow "close to Moscow"? These lakes are in general on or near the Canada–United States border. There are rivers to the north which feed the lakes, but the lakes are no where near Moscow. Perhaps you mean Moscow, Ontario which is around 35KM north of Lake Ontario? If not, Moscow, Russia is a 16 hour…
Since you asked, here's a polar projection centered on Moscow.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3201b.ct002675/?r=0.011,0.16,1...