I highly recommend doing what I have done most of my career. Get a job at smaller to medium sized non-tech company. Every company, in any industry, has computers. They need you. You don't have to work with a bunch of tech or finance people. You can get a job working with chill people in some other industry with a better culture. When it comes time to negotiate, negotiate HARD. And not just for money, but especially t…
Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
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Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#82Working in a field where people can get frustrated very easily is though. Specially if you are in the receiving end.
I worked with a lot of nice colleagues that makes the job more enjoyable, try to focus on that and ignore all the negativity that come from the loud ones.
Try to grow with the pain to the point it goes away, for example, for me it was soul crushing discussing something infrastructure related and having someone who doesn't know much about it suggesting serverless, using low effort arguments, instead of paying attention to the subject of the discussion. After some time I realized that people can be jerk for the sake of it and in the corporate world you are gonna find many of these. So for me what worked is to think that people are passionate about different things and it's your job to keep yours alive and ignore people who likes to create havoc.
Then do your job and when is time to go, simply go. I know it sucks to have a pile of code to review because people without social life are working during the weekend, but you will have to establish some boundaries to protect your time.
Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#83Just punching paychecks and doing my hobbies on the side.
> side hustles
I gave up on these too. I don't want a second job, my current one pays just fine.
Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#84Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#85there are companies where this part is not true. We have one daily meeting. Engineers have The daily standup is more a way to stay "real people" to each other instead of a picture in slack. We could easily do the standup async, but talking to each other each day is good for keeping solid relationships.
Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#86I work at a science institution that sits between NASA and the .edu sphere of influence. While we also have our own frustrations, it's generally wonderful and I'm a cog in a machine that is enriching the human experience. Are we a little behind on all the spiffy trends? Yep, but we're also not under constant pressure to adopt/adapt to spiffy trends. Do we make a little less than market? Yep, but it's still plenty and the benefits, including retirement and vacation, are amazing.
Of course startups are going to grind you down - you're tasked with rapidly deploying and optimizing someone's business baby and they're on the hook for copious, tenuous funding. Check out USAJobs or similar and find something with a human pace and good benefits.
Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#87I think most people here can. That's why, when people have enough money to retire, they DO retire, and not continue working. Work for most people is trading time and physical and mental health for money. In our profession, we got it better than most, but the underlying principle is still the same. Also, there are definitely better and worse companies. I'm currently in the best job of my life (well paying, fully remot…
> That's why, when people have enough money to retire, they DO retire, and not continue working. We also see devs just flat out going into new fields altogether.
Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#88I once saw a documentary about commercial Scuba diving. This is for the guys who work on oil rigs and such. At one point the instructor asks the students, "How much will you get paid for diving in the first year?" They throw out a bunch of numbers and then he draws "0" on the blackboard and follows up with "You will get paid nothing for diving. You will get paid for what you do while diving." That means welding or wh…
As an automation integrator, I frequently have to push to the forefront of my mind that my customer's focus is not on the machine that I'm designing for them. Yes, I'm going to spend 600 hours on the intricacies of hazard mitigation and operating modes and IO and quality control and timing, with a deadline looming large to ship the machine - it is easy when you're that deep to think of the machine as the end goal. But for my customers, the focus is on the chairs or door handles or valves or whatever they're making that come out of the machine. Graceful fault handling, alternate paths through the sequencer, purge and single-cycle modes, calibration wizards, or whatever other features I can build in might be elegant and might be powerful - but the customer doesn't care about the machine itself. They especially don't care about the machine when logic I've written gets in the way of making products come out the other end!
Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?
#89There's a difference between Programming and Software Development and I think it's important to recognise that difference when looking at your career. Programming is one small aspect of software development. It's an absolutely essential part, and it's the part you probably enjoy the most. But despite being an essential core part, it's also a part which only occupies maybe 20% of your time. Some software developers de…
I'm not sure what OP had in mind when asking the question, but at least for me it can be rephrased as:
"I LOVE Software Development/Engineering but HATE the industry. Can anyone relate?"
I really like the challenge of everything regarding SWE...users, specifications, documentation, planning, working with teams, testing, et.c.
But in most projects I have worked in something else has crept in:
- No access to customers/product owners to discuss solutions
- Everything being treated as manufacturing line
- Fixed long term plans even though conditions have changes
- Developers taking blame for changed conditions/wrong features