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Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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What does this post have to do with the post you replied to? What does it have to do with the thread? The OP asked for advice or anecdotes from people who have been an early employee at a successful startup. There's value in that question, and in answers to it. Obviously not all answers will be applicable to all situations, but nobody reasonable would think they would be. Then here comes this reply, which smells like…

You have revealed cynicism without evidence. There is no shame in working at a BigCorp, they ship lots of useful real life products and features. My response expressed the lessons I (and many other HNers) have learned THE HARD WAY ALREADY! What is wrong with trying to save a young puppy from suffering the harsh consequences of reality that I've had to endure? It's free advice, if you don't find it helpful please feel…

  > What is wrong with trying to save a young puppy from suffering the
  > harsh consequences of reality that I've had to endure?
Because it's incredibly rude. You're treating them like a child.

If someone goes to baking.com and asks for advice on becoming a pastry chef, don't warn them away because being a pastry chef pays poorly.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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How I got in: referral from friend who found the startup through another friend.

Why I joined: Was tired of big tech and wanted to learn faster. Founders were smart. Ran a surprisingly tight interview process.

Advice: if I were to reverse-engineer this, I would follow Seed-Series A investments from Tier 1 firms. These are the highest-signal companies.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have revealed cynicism without evidence. There is no shame in working at a BigCorp, they ship lots of useful real life products and features. My response expressed the lessons I (and many other HNers) have learned THE HARD WAY ALREADY! What is wrong with trying to save a young puppy from suffering the harsh consequences of reality that I've had to endure? It's free advice, if you don't find it helpful please feel…

> What is wrong with trying to save a young puppy from suffering the > harsh consequences of reality that I've had to endure? Because it's incredibly rude. You're treating them like a child. If someone goes to baking.com and asks for advice on becoming a pastry chef, don't warn them away because being a pastry chef pays poorly.

Respectfully, it seems best if we agree to disagree this time around. I acknowledge the validity of your feelings on this matter, and humbly request the same from you. There is more than enough room for us both, and you've made your position clear.

Cheers and please take care, John.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have revealed cynicism without evidence. There is no shame in working at a BigCorp, they ship lots of useful real life products and features. My response expressed the lessons I (and many other HNers) have learned THE HARD WAY ALREADY! What is wrong with trying to save a young puppy from suffering the harsh consequences of reality that I've had to endure? It's free advice, if you don't find it helpful please feel…

> What is wrong with trying to save a young puppy from suffering the > harsh consequences of reality that I've had to endure? Because it's incredibly rude. You're treating them like a child. If someone goes to baking.com and asks for advice on becoming a pastry chef, don't warn them away because being a pastry chef pays poorly.

> If someone goes to baking.com and asks for advice on becoming a pastry chef, don't warn them away because being a pastry chef pays poorly.

I would want to be warned. It's highly likely I wasn't aware of that information.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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Terrible advice, startups have so many variables it's nearly impossible to time on purpose, especially as any kind of outsider. Go to Stanford or Harvard if you can, otherwise if it's too late to get into that club, it comes down to whatever network you can cultivate, along with timing and luck. Hindsight is 20/20. Don't get too sucked into the casino that is Startup Land. Go work at BigCorp for big bucks if you're a…

I feel it's impossible for all first 50 to get >1% mathematically. it's more like first 5 other than co-founders.

Yeah, >1% is a lot of equity for a non-founding employee.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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Approach it like a VC. Identify smart people. Hang around where they hang, like accelerators and coworking spaces. Listen to their pitch and ask yourself whether this could be an amazing thing. I actually missed out on lots of good companies. Most are very humble. They don't smell like a big shot CEO, more like a lost student. They don't convince you that they're good at what they do, nor do they beg for help. So it'…

Terrible advice, startups have so many variables it's nearly impossible to time on purpose, especially as any kind of outsider. Go to Stanford or Harvard if you can, otherwise if it's too late to get into that club, it comes down to whatever network you can cultivate, along with timing and luck. Hindsight is 20/20. Don't get too sucked into the casino that is Startup Land. Go work at BigCorp for big bucks if you're a…

So this and the parent post both make sense to some degree. My problem is I don't even know how to identify the people even if they were right in front if me. And even if I did I am not sure how I can get them to "accept" me at more than a grunt (or capability level - 2) capacity.

An example, about 10 years ago a YC company (that would go on to be valued at high double digit billion valuation) was hiring. They were series A at the time. I knew I was more than qualified for that role (I had done that role at that stage of a company in similar domains multiple times). I had no pedigree ofcourse (founders were all MIT so clear they they were doing a breadth first traversal around that network of friends). Naturally never heard back. Sour grapes? Reasonably so.

To this point startup land is a huge crapshoot. Being in the in-network confers a 1000x advantage already and being outside is just tons of things you need to line up to get lucky!

My learning has also been you can try for the jackpot, or work at a big co and outside your work work on building your brand (building, blogging, side projects, marketing etc). Bonus if that brand comes through your work.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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Founded a “pitch startup” in college to get my feet wet, was a wearable wristband for basketball tracking. Lasted a year and a half but gave enough experience to see how the lower tier startup ecosystem functioned.

Spent a few years in industry getting as much practical experience in autonomy software as I could, working for less than I was worth but gaining valuable experience making actual robots do complicated things.

Got into the MRSD program at CMU and signed up for a tough line up of classes, worked hard on projects to have a strong showcase of work. Made a portfolio website that highlighted technical accomplishments, honed my resume.

Spent as much time as I could during my final semester interviewing and seeking out early companies, used big companies as interview practice. Had offers from Anduril, Aurora, Boston Dynamics, Uber ATG, Fox Robotics. Talked to a few others, some small Boston startups that hadn’t showed progress, on in Houston that had inexperienced engineering/leadership. Most of these were opportunities that I tracked down and applied for, but Anduril did a recruiting session on campus and did a dinner with Palmer Luckey that I attended. Someone from Human Capital reached out and talked me into doing the dinner.

Aurora had potentially high upside and seemed like a sure thing (SPAC has proven otherwise) but treated me like I’d be implementing other people’s ideas. Uber ATG was low and wouldn’t negotiate, Boston Dynamics was a pile of cash and seemed like fun work, but didn’t have any equity stake as part of the compensation package.

Had red flags from Fox Robotics, so steered clear. Observed a cold call while I was on site that had a weird tone, and seemed to be entirely engineer driven rather than having a blend of business and engineering acumen.

The founders at Anduril were really experienced which stood out, all coming from previous successful startups. Was easy to tell I’d be providing strong value to the company with their blend of hardware/software and could see a wide range of market potential in the defense space. Having a founder like Palmer meant there would be steady ability to hype the company to new hires, capacity to scale and grow an engineering team is extremely important for a startup - if you are impressed by the founders then others will be. Other members of the team had strong background building Palantir and growing a business in the defense space. Above all seemed like a group of people with a strong sense of mission who cared deeply about accomplishing their mission, having a purpose that is clearly defined is incredibly galvanizing. Joined somewhere in the 45-50 range.

Leave enough time in your career plan to fail with at least one of the startups you found/join. Failure is always a possibility and you should budget for it. Be willing to walk away - I gave up the equity in my first startup and walked away because it was evident that we were spinning our wheels and not gaining traction. Build valuable skills and make sure you have a breadth of practical knowledge so that you can wear a lot of hats when you first join, and be prepared to gracefully transfer those hats to new hires who onboard and are able to take work off your plate.

If you’re in high school do cool things that you can talk to later. Built a remote controlled hovercraft, spent more time programming video games than playing them. Interacted a bunch with people in the Blender community for feedback on what I was building. Choice of where you go for undergrad can be less important if you end up doing grad school, but I wouldn’t have had the chance to join Anduril if I hadn’t been at a top tier institution.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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I feel it's impossible for all first 50 to get >1% mathematically. it's more like first 5 other than co-founders.

Yeah, >1% is a lot of equity for a non-founding employee.

Not really, if they aren't going to value you at >1% when they're small, they're probably delusional and you already know everything you need to make a good decision in your own best interest.

Founders being greedy when the company is worthless is always a bad sign in my considerable experience (more than 20 years in the game, and grew up in PA, CA worshipping the startup culture of the 90s).

For the quintessential case study in founder greed gone wrong, search around about how it went for a company I passed over because of low equity offer, their name was Clinkle.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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post #3

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Terrible advice, startups have so many variables it's nearly impossible to time on purpose, especially as any kind of outsider. Go to Stanford or Harvard if you can, otherwise if it's too late to get into that club, it comes down to whatever network you can cultivate, along with timing and luck. Hindsight is 20/20. Don't get too sucked into the casino that is Startup Land. Go work at BigCorp for big bucks if you're a…

I feel it's impossible for all first 50 to get >1% mathematically. it's more like first 5 other than co-founders.

There will be "suckers" who join for a tiny slice of the pie. Don't waste your time and life, don't let it be you.

Re: Ask HN: How did you become one of the first 50 at a major tech company?

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrible advice, startups have so many variables it's nearly impossible to time on purpose, especially as any kind of outsider. Go to Stanford or Harvard if you can, otherwise if it's too late to get into that club, it comes down to whatever network you can cultivate, along with timing and luck. Hindsight is 20/20. Don't get too sucked into the casino that is Startup Land. Go work at BigCorp for big bucks if you're a…

So this and the parent post both make sense to some degree. My problem is I don't even know how to identify the people even if they were right in front if me. And even if I did I am not sure how I can get them to "accept" me at more than a grunt (or capability level - 2) capacity. An example, about 10 years ago a YC company (that would go on to be valued at high double digit billion valuation) was hiring. They were s…

One thing I've learned from sports is that positioning wins matches. Positioning is literally being in the right place at the right time, but it's not dumb luck. There's a bit of strategy to it. I love Andreessen's breakdown of luck: https://pmarchive.com/luck_and_the_entrepreneur.html

Another good analysis of it is Gladwell's book Outliers.

Branding is an approach, but make sure it aligns with getting you in position. Some things will make you visible, but it would not position you as the smartest person on a list.

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