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Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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The “Egyptian history” book I’m reading with my kid states that the “Egyptians couldn’t draw perspective and therefore flattened everything” and continues with that this is the reason we see multi storied houses in drawing but not in archeological finds. Does this ring a bell or is it just elementary school oversimplification again?

Do elementary school kids even understand what perspective is?

Some of them do, some of them don't. I think I first learned about it in 3rd grade or so.

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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The “Egyptian history” book I’m reading with my kid states that the “Egyptians couldn’t draw perspective and therefore flattened everything” and continues with that this is the reason we see multi storied houses in drawing but not in archeological finds. Does this ring a bell or is it just elementary school oversimplification again?

Reeks of oversimplification and hand-waving explanations. The Egyptians clearly understood very advanced geometry and methods to measure the world.

Everything the Egyptians did was intentional.

How could they build statues if they could only reason in 2d space? That makes no sense.

In a way many of their creations are a combination of spacetime(3d and time) accompanied by 2d storytelling as a form of narrative much like we write on the internet except maybe more comic book like.

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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The “Egyptian history” book I’m reading with my kid states that the “Egyptians couldn’t draw perspective and therefore flattened everything” and continues with that this is the reason we see multi storied houses in drawing but not in archeological finds. Does this ring a bell or is it just elementary school oversimplification again?

That sounds reasonable. Until the rules of perspective were understood, artists were mostly quite poor at drawing realistic scenes. It wasn't until 1415 that the rules of perspective were thoroughly described, and the discovery dramatically improved the quality of art that was created after.

http://www.essentialvermeer.com/technique/perspective/histor...

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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One thing I don't see the article mentioning is how rigid Egyptian culture and society was from 3000 BC up to the time of Alexander the Great.

The Narmer palette is the classic example of how the artistic style sprung up almost fully formed in just a few hundred years. After that, it all was just minor variations on the same theme.

It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is cultural continuity, some styles just live on after they reached maturity until the entire culture is wiped out.

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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2d is what you get if you see the entire scene from very far away, for example the stars where thought to be on a fixed shell.

But who is very far away, but can see everything? Clearly the gods.. By making the images the way they do elevates the humans who see them to gods.

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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Ancient Egyptian art was intentionally abstract. It has been called "conceptual" rather than "perceptual" in style. Figures were flattened to provide an abstraction of their most salient features, not because the artists didn't understand perspective.

Incidentally, this style came back into fashion for a few centuries in Middle Ages Europe. You can see many examples in tapestries and illuminated manuscripts.

If you are curious about Ancient Egyptian culture, these two books have mostly excellent articles.

A Companion to Ancient Egyptian Art (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17073753-a-companion-to-...)

A Companion to Ancient Egypt (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8561459-a-companion-to-a...)

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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One thing I don't see the article mentioning is how rigid Egyptian culture and society was from 3000 BC up to the time of Alexander the Great. The Narmer palette is the classic example of how the artistic style sprung up almost fully formed in just a few hundred years. After that, it all was just minor variations on the same theme. It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is…

Those Greek columns are themselves cribbed from Ancient Egyptian columns which are reproductions in stone of the bundled papyrus stalk columns that they used for support of their mud brick buildings.

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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post #14

One thing I don't see the article mentioning is how rigid Egyptian culture and society was from 3000 BC up to the time of Alexander the Great. The Narmer palette is the classic example of how the artistic style sprung up almost fully formed in just a few hundred years. After that, it all was just minor variations on the same theme. It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is…

> It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is cultural continuity, some styles just live on after they reached maturity until the entire culture is wiped out.

Or perhaps, if one "purpose" of Art is to reach some aesthetic "perfection", where/when form and purpose reach a common maximum, then there is no need to even try to "improve" anything anymore.

Re: Why does ancient Egypt's distinctive art style make everything look flat?

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post #14

One thing I don't see the article mentioning is how rigid Egyptian culture and society was from 3000 BC up to the time of Alexander the Great. The Narmer palette is the classic example of how the artistic style sprung up almost fully formed in just a few hundred years. After that, it all was just minor variations on the same theme. It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is…

> It's similar to how many modern banks or courthouses have greek columns: when there is cultural continuity, some styles just live on after they reached maturity until the entire culture is wiped out. Or perhaps, if one "purpose" of Art is to reach some aesthetic "perfection", where/when form and purpose reach a common maximum, then there is no need to even try to "improve" anything anymore.

Perhaps that’s how banks and the justice system view art. Two pillars of society that are perfect just the way they are.
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