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Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
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Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#62Maybe it's just in my circles like this, but I think these days chat itself is no service anymore. You need to integrate it into something else, like social networks, gtalk, skype (chat+telephone), "webcam-services". 10 years ago Grove might've been awesome, but now it feels like something is missing, because I can chat everywhere else contextrelated anyway. Look how meebo developed over the last years. First it inte…
Meebo also took $ SEVENTY million in funding. When you take that sort of investment, the rules of the game change a lot I think. It's no longer sufficient to make a few million profit a month.
You are right, there is a possible niche that is probably profitable. Thus the businessmodel might be valid, even if they have no chance of hitting any main stream markets (with the businessmodel they have right now).
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#63Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it won't remain free forever. Soon we'll having pricing plans that are comparable to existing team chat products.
How unfortunate. I've been working on an open source version of what you're purporting to provide as a service.
Open source software != free service -- in fact, even when the software is open source, you usually have to pay for a hosted, managed service.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#65Maybe it's just in my circles like this, but I think these days chat itself is no service anymore. You need to integrate it into something else, like social networks, gtalk, skype (chat+telephone), "webcam-services". 10 years ago Grove might've been awesome, but now it feels like something is missing, because I can chat everywhere else contextrelated anyway. Look how meebo developed over the last years. First it inte…
> chat itself is no service anymore
And yet lots of shops pay 37signals for Campfire
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#66Nice work, thanks for making pretty things, keep it up.
Disclaimer: I've been brainwashed by working in "enterprise" environments. I understand that is not necessarily your target audience.
Logging scares me when it is a hosted solution like this. I signed up for the trial (for personal use) and didn't see that configuration option. Maildrops are lots of fun, but dumps of your dev IRC chats? Most regulated environments have retention periods, and after that most communication is considered to be a liability and storage concern (IANL, TINLA). I would say that dev chats are useful for about a few months, max.
A non-hosted solution would be nice, but certainly takes a huge amount of effort to layer on something like that to what you already have.
Is there any open community (i.e. a grove.io instance) to join and chat about your product, get a feel for it? Sounds like a bit of maintenance headache, but probably worth it. I can't really demo it well by myself.
Also, I can't imagine talking to my coworkers like I am accustomed to chatting on IRC . That's just a random thought.
Edit: spelling errours
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't let it get you too discouraged- Leah doesn't last very long with any one project so you'll be fine in a few months.
Even if this is true (I have no idea whether it is), making this comment here and at this time is in extremely poor form. You should be ashamed of your utter lack of simple etiquette.
He's at -9 karma, I imagine he doesn't care.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#68I know it's brand new and all, but there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, nicks apparently have to be universally unique across all of Grove (better hope someone doesn't use my name in a different organization?), there's no chanserv. The help page is concise but should probably be printed in MOTD or some other way for non-Web clients (I was confused that I had to identify before joining a channel... it created a 'ghost' channel for me instead of booting me and telling me to identify, like most irc servers). And when you add a member to the org, they immediately are joined to the channel - even if they're not connected to a client? How do you know they're available to respond to a question?
Also, since it appears to be a new & custom irc server, i'd not really be willing to trust corporate communication on a platform known for attracting hackers.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#69I've been beta testing irccloud.com. It's very well done, but I'd also like something that can be self-hosted to access internal-only IRC servers.
I like irccloud.com quite a lot. A bit different of a product, but still very nice.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#70What's the advantage of an IRC-backed chat vs. a Jabber-backed chat? Sure, IRC's protocol is simpler, but it's also not designed to support authentication or security natively, or to be federated in a "cross-network" way like XMPP is. It seems that XMPP is more modern, more flexible, and supports real user authentication natively - a win in every respect. Plus most of the clients people these days use for IRC (Adium,…
It's not? How about:
* passwords required to connect to the IRC server,
* passwords required to use given nickname (enforced via NickServ),
* SSL.