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I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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I don't have the impression that Firefox is so much more optimised. If anything I had the opposite impression (Chrome using less CPU than Firefox). Makes sense too because Google has a ton of money and Mozilla doesn't. Still I mainly use firefox and on most computers it's the only browser I even have installed.

I'm back to FF as well (after some Chrome years), and love it. However, for my work I use Google Meet and online collaboration tools such as Miro. Unfortunately, I only use Chrome for those services because FF will jumpstart my Macbook fans quickly when using Google Meet / FF.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Yeah you can bet that Google will do anything they can to stop adblockers once their FLoC replacement is online. After all, in their view they have solved the "privacy problem". Chrome is only going downhill from now. So is Edge, Microsoft has already at the stage where they don't prioritise user experience and appeal anymore and are priorising monetisation. Like with the "buy now and pay later" scams they're includi…

Can you elaborate on the Mozilla corporate weasel part? As far as I can tell, they are just a) poorly managed and b) desperately trying to diversify revenue away from search prioritization contracts.

True but they are looking in all the wrong places. Including pocket "featured headlines", vpn services that are just a resell, just lowhanging fruit that does nothing but annoy the users that still care about them.

Meanwhile they try to make the browser as mainstream friendly, not understanding that the mainstream has long given up on them and they only have the last remaining bastion of hardcore privacy users left. Whose user patterns they're not seeing because they focus too much on telemetry.

I think since they became Mozilla Inc they started thinking like big tech and are slowly becoming just like it. But because their foundation origins the declining marketshare is not ringing their alarm bells like they, in a real company, would.

If they really wanted to diversify and get me to pay for something, they have to do more than just resell mullvad. I'm a mullvad user but I much rather pay for that directly as it gives me a lot more features. I love mullvad but I want to use it in more than just a browser.

What I'd want to see and would pay for:

- A service like Apple's iCloud Private Relay that really makes browsing more anonymous (rather than a basic VPN which they offer now, that's too little too late).

- Paid Sync storage (with full E2E so I have no reason to self-host)

- An archiving service of webpages (also E2E). Because onenote sucks more and more

Basically things other than 'quick wins' but that need some serious vision and development. Right now they're thinking way too much like a lazy CEO, doing a quick tie-in with another service hoping for some takeup or some cheap marketing benefit.

If they want to diversify and get people to pay they really have to offer some real benefits that are a gap in the market. Those exist but they need some more work than just a quick joint marketing effort.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

#133

Firefox is worth it if only for the Ctrl-Tab going in recently used order. I hate using Chrome and needing to use the mouse to actually find a tab

Funny enough, for me it's extremely uncomfortable when tab cycling doesn't represent the tab order I see on screen. I've always disable that feature and even have code to autodisable it on new installs

The benefit of MRU order is that you can use it blindly to go to the last-nth tab without having to eye-coordinate with the contents of the tab bar. It becomes an automatic muscle-memory thing.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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I went the other way after a few years on Firefox mostly for one reason. Too often when posting something here, on Reddit, in a web-based email client, on Facebook, etc., I'd end up having to spend too much time dealing with false positives in its spell check.

It's weird because they use the same spell check engine that Chrome, Apple, LibreOffice, and a bazillion other commercial and open source things use, and those almost never produce false positives on my writing.

Mozilla needs to address things like this if they want to stop losing share to other browsers.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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I don’t intend to diminish the article itself, since yes ditching chrome and Google is a win for personal privacy. But I can’t ignore the irony of this article loading dozens of trackers. Like, is the cognitive dissonance that bad in web publishing? Do the teams writing the content not know about the way the publisher presents the data? Is this just pure hypocrisy? I’m at a loss.

Is it a win? Last I heard FF was generating a unique identifier on each installer download. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-... I'm hoping the Duck Duck Go browser or Vivaldi is better.

Usage analytics are pretty important for any product to stay competitive, and IMO it’s very different from any sort of personalized ad tracking.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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I've switched from Firefox to Safari for most of my browsing, and Chrome for anything that needs devtools. Why? Battery. Efficiency. On the new M1 Macbooks I can run Safari and be unplugged all day long. The increased power consumption and battery drain is noticeable when using FF and I can't make it all the way through the day. As far as extensions go, I have 1Blocker and it works well, it does block YouTube ads. Th…

My favorite part about Safari is how, because I don't own an Apple device, I have next to no options for testing and fixing the issues that get filed with regards to my web application not working in Safari. Probably 2/3rds of the bugs I get are specifically related to Safari while the other 1/3rd are just general issues that affect every browser. It's insane to me that they provide no way to possibly resolve this wi…

What exactly do you expect? That Apple brings back Safari to Windows and Linux? There's public demand for that every now and then (eg [1]), but that has it's own set of problems ie. that Safari-on-Win/Lin won't be representative of what's rendered on Mac OS due to font handling, antialiasing, power management, and other peculiarities on Mac OS (Mac OS would typically run on much higher resolution than Win/Lin).

I'm not even using Mac OS currently, but I don't think it's Apple's job to make your web app run like on Chrome when Google is calling the shots on so-called "web standards" with tens or hundreds of new features every quarter, with necessarily surprising results. Personally, I'd find it ok if you just label your app with "Best run on Chrome" because that's the reality the web has degraded to, and the actual problem of web apps. Or deploy as Electron app on Mac OS.

Maybe Apple could provide a Mac OS + Safari VM, like MS was doing (or still is doing?) when they were producing IE. But then the question is on which machine would you be able to run those VMs given Apple is heading towards ARM-only instruction set machines. Should Apple commit to produce x64 binaries for backward-compatible emulation on historic hardware? Personally, I do like Apple's innovation where the rest of the industry is lagging behind.

[1]: https://www.xda-developers.com/safari-for-windows-editorial/

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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I tried to like Firefox, I really do, I tried to use it as primary browser, but it's just noticeable less snappy and slower than anything Chromium based, so I always return back to Chromium (now Brave). Not to mention that I always hit some glitches in sites or some things not working in Firefox because developers didn't even bother to test on Firefox or just plainly refuse to support it.

this has been my experience. i even prefer some parts of the firefox ui. but for the reasons you mention, the net result is that then i have to run two browsers which means twice the work, complexity and risk.

i hate this. i really want firefox to succeed and i really appreciate their stated goals with respect to privacy, and their significant contributions to the internet commons.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Tree Style Tabs solved the tab grouping problem for me. I like to put it on the right and I'm looking for a way to have the tab bar hidden. Tab search exists: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-open-tabs-firefo... , also you type % into the address bar to start searching over tabs. Not sure if this covers your needs, though.

also check out "sidebery" as a modern alternative that does a bit more

I was also going to recommend Sidebery - I switched to it from TST a while back and I've been very impressed with it.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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I don’t intend to diminish the article itself, since yes ditching chrome and Google is a win for personal privacy. But I can’t ignore the irony of this article loading dozens of trackers. Like, is the cognitive dissonance that bad in web publishing? Do the teams writing the content not know about the way the publisher presents the data? Is this just pure hypocrisy? I’m at a loss.

Is it a win? Last I heard FF was generating a unique identifier on each installer download. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-... I'm hoping the Duck Duck Go browser or Vivaldi is better.

One-time download telemetry is a pretty minor reason to choose an entirely different browser
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