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FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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Sounds like Sonic. They're building out fiber in various zip codes around the SF Bay Area.

It sounds like Sonic, but Sonic's 10 Gbps offering is AFAIK symmetric. Of course Sonic's gotten a lot more cagey about specifics and I don't have any 10G equipment so it's hard for me to tell.

It’s actually just “up to” 10 Gb/s. And my 10Gb hardware is pretty janky so my speeds might not be representative of the full capabilities.

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As far as I have heard, they could choose to use N out of M channels for either upload or download and they are choosing to keep it the way it is. Probably they need to keep it that way for other reasons (their own cable-TV signal goes through it). But I know nothing about the electronics/signal-processing involved, so I could be totally wrong.

Mostly to slow torrent seeders. A fat up pipe and no data limit means TB after TB go to seed torrents. Otherwise for 90% of users, 90% of their traffic is download. Me legit pushing a 2GB docker image gets hit in the crossfire,

It's also worth mentioning that Comcast is one of the largest "traditional" media corporations on Earth, and is therefore heavily motivated to act against media sharing (piracy).

Everything about their business outside internet service is built to be a vertical integration, so it's only natural to use their ISP business arm to support that.

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The problem, in the USA for most people, is Comcast. Downspeed hardly matters. It's been plenty for decades. Upload speed has stagnated. I uploaded as fast in 2003 as I do now in 2022. And as others have said, it's not so much about 1 fast provider as many providers and choice. In my comcast monopoly my plan started at $60/mo in 2011 and without any changes on my end and no change in my upload speed that price has in…

> But I don't have a choice. It doesn't matter how good, or bad, Comcast is. They're the only game in town. To extend that, Comcast is on my street but refuses to run a line up to my house because they consider it to be too cost prohibitive. At the same time, they block anyone else from making money in my region. I'm stuck with whatever cell signal I can acquire and that is as good as 5mbps during the day and might d…

Often if they're the only option in your area AND they're on your street they've signed an exclusivity contract with the town. Part of that contract is they must service you. I know multiple people they've done this to and in all cases getting the city involved swiftly got them an installation.

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Here in the portland area we get Centurylink and I have to say, having been forced to use comcast in the bay area for years it's a breath of fresh air. It's a large company, sure, but 1gbps symmetric is very reasonable (around $50/mo) and they let you directly connect your hardware via IPOE (using a VLAN tag).

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> But I don't have a choice. It doesn't matter how good, or bad, Comcast is. They're the only game in town. To extend that, Comcast is on my street but refuses to run a line up to my house because they consider it to be too cost prohibitive. At the same time, they block anyone else from making money in my region. I'm stuck with whatever cell signal I can acquire and that is as good as 5mbps during the day and might d…

Talk to your local government. We were in the same situation, and it turns out Comcast was legally required to service our house, they just didn’t want to (because of the expense). A few days after getting the government involved we had a trenching crew on-site.

I’m not sure who to begin talking to for that. That would be amazing though…

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I don't think I've ever seen a 4K YouTube stream over 15 Mbit, where do you find a 70 Mbit stream? Even the king of streaming bitrate, Apple TV, is said to peak at 30 Mbps

Not YouTube, but Sony Bravia Core[1] offers up to 80 Mbps streaming (some TVs only). [1] https://electronics.sony.com/bravia-core

Wow, is that for 8K?

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Everyone's needs are different. Yes, a lot of people can get along just fine with 20 megabit up and down, and you are spot on that latency may be the worse issue. In my case, my work requires me to frequently upload files of about 15GB in size. On my old cable connection - which did provide gigabit downloads - the uploads were capped at 30 megabits. So it took about two hours to upload one of these files, with people…

10 minutes? I wonder why you're only in the 200Mbps range.

It's because I'm uploading to https://www.box.com/ where IBM has an Enterprise account.

I am amazed that Box has nailed a good portion of the Enterprise market with a substandard product: poor transfer speeds and an astoundingly bad UX on their web access.

I do get the expected speeds when uploading to or downloading from other servers.

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POTS. ILECS were required for a while (still are?) to sell access to their central office DSLAMs. For a hot moment in the early 00s there was a fair bit of competition for DSL service (at least in the Bay Area). If memory serves – as technology moved on to higher speed DSL that worked over shorter distances (and required more RTs as a result) legislation stayed the same. Essentially the only things that ILECS were re…

> ILECS were required for a while (still are?) to sell access to their central office DSLAMs. It was just the copper, not the DSLAM access. What you could do is buy colo space at the CO and install your own DSLAM, and the ILEC was required to cross connect the copper to your cage. What you did from there was your business, as was all of the CPE. I worked at a CLEC for 10 years during the good times. Even set up a few…

Ah, even better haha.

Agreed that the FCC should've continued requiring open access. However I'd go further and say that much of the infrastructure should be state owned and leased to private companies.

Or outlaw exclusive franchise agreements, require timely access to utility poles, etc. Regulate like an electric company? Well I'm from California and given how bad our electric companies are and how toothless the state regulator is I'm not sure how much of an improvement that would be.

Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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The problem, in the USA for most people, is Comcast. Downspeed hardly matters. It's been plenty for decades. Upload speed has stagnated. I uploaded as fast in 2003 as I do now in 2022. And as others have said, it's not so much about 1 fast provider as many providers and choice. In my comcast monopoly my plan started at $60/mo in 2011 and without any changes on my end and no change in my upload speed that price has in…

Hopefully starlink will raise the bar with competition

Unfortunately Shannon's law makes that all but impossible.
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