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Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Icelander here. Horse foal meat is some of the more expensive meat you can have at the finer restaurants in the country. At every butcher shops you can find foal meat, and most if not all supermarkets carry horse meat in some way (frozen, salted, smoked or as a sausage etc). The finer foal cuts are really some of the best meat I have ever tasted. Highly recommend.

The perfect main course after the whale appetizer!

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Everyone in my family rides horses and eats horse meat; we don't see any problem with that -- at least we didn't. I haven't had horse for a long time, but when I was a child we had tartare de cheval every Saturday for lunch (and we went to ride horses the following day). In French riding horses is "monter à cheval" but many people (who usually don't ride) improperly say "faire du cheval". The appropriate answer when…

Similar quirk that irks me in English is 'horseback riding': it's just 'riding' - or 'riding on horseback', 'horse riding' - the whole thing's coming! 'horseback riding' to me sounds like it's supposed to be a humourous phrase along the lines of 'driving a desk' (a sort of blue-collar self-deprecation for having moved up from driving whatever vehicle) - like you're still in training and haven't been given a live hors…

Indeed, calling it just "riding" is one of many odd horsepeople shibboleths. This is actually my other huge nerd topic.

Other ones include that nobody calls them stables, it's "the barn," there is a difference between a rider, an owner, horsewoman, horseman (horseman is a reverently reserved term of respect, and horsewoman is also a term of respect, both take a few decades of riding to earn, when a horsewoman is a horseman, it's like saying Maestro, it's deference). English and Western riding are a level of detail equivalent to red and white wine, they sort of describe more what you don't do more than what you in fact do. A trail ride is called going out for a hack, or going hacking, and a horse that is safe on a trail is called a good hack. Disciplines are very siloed and the equivalent difference would be someone interested in rally car racing vs. street racing, where they both like cars, but wouldn't have much to talk about other than some technical rivalry. It's almost to the level of the difference between SWE and devops, you're both "good at computers," but that's about all they have in common.

Wrt motorcycles, we also say motorcyclist or biker, not rider. Funny that the differences between motorcyclists and bikers are alot like that of English and Western riding, as they're motivated by different things.

Also, I've eaten a horse steak. I don't crave it, but it's neutral. Part of our human stewardship of nature involves killing, culling and eating other animals, just as bugs will devour my body once I go. The squeamishness around eating horse meat seems more like a fear of ones own mortality after being confronted with the body of a being one empathizes with. It's a free preference and choice, and I would only say that fear is expressed by people who would judge others for eating the meat, but not by someone who just doesn't eat it.

source: rides motorycle to the barn to go on a hack to unwind after hacking all day as a desk jockey and using hack writer skills to comment on hacker news.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Not the OP, but I'm in the US and.. it's complicated. I would say, in general, meats like lamb and, especially, veal have fallen out of favor due to the perceived poor conditions and youth of the animals. Rabbit isn't common in the US (it's not generally available in stores) but the "cuteness" factor plays a role here as well. This has changed since the 80's when lamb and veal were more popularly consumed. I'm guessi…

Lamb is completely common - you can buy it at Costco for crying out loud. Heck, I even had some at a FAANG cafeteria the other day. Lamb’s consumption is not unusual in the US, and is completely unrelated to the veal issue.

My SO who lived for a time in the UK refuses to eat lamb in the US because "it's terrible." Apparently lamb in the UK is the gold standard for quality.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Not the OP, but I'm in the US and.. it's complicated. I would say, in general, meats like lamb and, especially, veal have fallen out of favor due to the perceived poor conditions and youth of the animals. Rabbit isn't common in the US (it's not generally available in stores) but the "cuteness" factor plays a role here as well. This has changed since the 80's when lamb and veal were more popularly consumed. I'm guessi…

Lamb is completely common - you can buy it at Costco for crying out loud. Heck, I even had some at a FAANG cafeteria the other day. Lamb’s consumption is not unusual in the US, and is completely unrelated to the veal issue.

I was about to write the same thing when I read your comment.

Additionally, duck and geese can be bought at my local whole foods and often sell out.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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It's the first time I see a picture of edible meat and feel repulsed by it. Interesting. Bit of background about me: I really like horses. They're friends to me. I see why people eat them, but that just sounds wrong, just writing it. I... I guess I understand why vegetarians don't like meat, now.

I’m not here to judge anyone for eating meat, despite being vegetarian, but I agree with the other comments here, if you eat cows or pigs or sheep or chickens then why not cockatoos or horses or dogs (or feral cats, which are consumed in some parts of Australia)? I don’t eat any of these creatures, but nevertheless, I just don’t get why certain animals seem to be culturally off limits for those who do eat meat. Is it…

Yeah, I think that's why.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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We eat horsemeat in Italy as well, though not very commonly. I did a few times, eh, nothing to write home about. Also donkey meat ragu once, that was pretty good. AFAIK rabbit meat is not viewed very well across the pond either, like in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Rabbit is popular in paella.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Long ago I tried horse meat salami in France. It wasn’t terrible, but I prefer pork, or rather that’s what I was/am used to. Americans are surprised to hear when I talk about eating rabbit (again in France when I was a kid.) Those cute furry animals are delicious :)

Rabbit is eaten in the states, but it's kind of like venison: it's just not something you'll usually find in any store or restaurant, unless those places are specifically going out of their way to cater to either hunters or an "old world European" aesthetic. I can regularly get rabbit at either cheap redneck holes in the sticks or expensive German restaurants in the city. People outside of the cities, and ethnic encl…

Goat is delicious and readily available in US states with a large Latinx population. Cabrito tacos are a delicacy.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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When I lived in NL, I took a trip to Maastricht which is a beautiful place right in the South and tried a popular local dish - Zoervleis[0] which is traditionally horse meat. It was delicious. It always amuses me that when I tell this story, it's often met with disgust - even by meat-eaters! "But, how could you eat horse! They're so nice!". Yeah... you eat beef, have you ever met a cow up close? They're also lovely c…

One can get horse meat in Japan too. (I think they mostly import it from France these days.) I had a nice cheval carpaccio there once, at the insistence of my Japanese hosts. It tasted good, but I have no desire to eat it again. I don't intend to ever try dog. From what I've heard the meat of carnivores tastes unpleasant, but that might be folklore.

Dog tastes nothing like chicken it's a much darker meat. I had it in China and it wasn't exactly unpleasant but definitely what we in the USA would describe as gamey. Basically pungent and heavy on flavor. The preparation I had was in Sichuan so they added tons of red chilies as well so it was very spicy. I wouldn't eat it again, once was enough.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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One can get horse meat in Japan too. (I think they mostly import it from France these days.) I had a nice cheval carpaccio there once, at the insistence of my Japanese hosts. It tasted good, but I have no desire to eat it again. I don't intend to ever try dog. From what I've heard the meat of carnivores tastes unpleasant, but that might be folklore.

> I've heard the meat of carnivores tastes unpleasant People eating salmons and other predatory fish would disagree. Horse meat is really good, and dogs probably taste like chicken anyway ... But no meat beats well-prepared tofu & seitan ;p

Agreed. I've only heard the legend in relation to land mammal carnivores.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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> It’s also quite expensive which can make sense because scarcity, but not make sense since the demand must be fairly low. If demand is highly inelastic - as would be expected for something like culinary preferences - then price actually has to increase when demand is low: if you can sell to 3 people at 20$ or 5 people at 10$, you're losing money by decreasing your price.

> If demand is highly inelastic - as would be expected for something like culinary preferences Demand curves, regardless of elasticity, are always downward sloping: Higher prices lead to fewer units demanded. Your statement implies control over prices: Firms with market power do not operate along the inelastic portion of a demand curve. This is a logical implication of profit maximization. Before one can understand t…

Those sweet economists. (I’ve got my MSc in Economics ;) First off: Giffen and Veblen goods? Second off: while I’m all for the theoretical models and would even defend that institutional evolution would lead to markets representing theoretical IO markets … a local horse butcher in a Dutch town is not a profit maximizing entity. He’s got sticky and human relations on his supply side, sticky and human relations on his demand side and a finite time horizon in which the butcher takes pride in the job and firm. Ever hear seniors complain about prices rising in small stores? Store owners take that into account. Marginal local stores bordering on bankruptcy tell you that. He picks prices because all things considering that price makes sense to him.
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