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Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by bobcostas55 »

otachack wrote: post #41

So many are trashing the live action that I'd like to offer my opinion. I enjoyed it for what it was, a reimagining. Vicious' actor was terrible but he picked up towards the end. John Cho did a good nod to Spike, Mustafa Shakir killed it as Jet, and Daniella Pineda was decent as Faye. What absolutely caught my attention was the production quality of the sets though out the show. Each shot felt heavily inspired by the…

>It's a beautifully shot show

It so isn't. It's got that ugly flat daytime soap lighting that ruins so many of these streaming shows, I guess because they think they can save money by not paying for a good dp.

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by bowsamic »

deltaonenine wrote: post #45
bowsamic wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dub seems way better in that comparison. Generally I far prefer the dub tho for most anime. I’m not Japanese and so the sub always feels lifeless and serious. The dub is way more entertaining

The dub is comical and has bad acting. The pacing and the tone is completely off from how normal people talk. The japanese, even though I don't understand it, has a better tone and the talking doesn't sound forced.

I think it should be comical, because that makes it more entertaining. The sub is more boring because it's more serious sounding. I also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. Generally I far prefer the English dub style to the stern and serious Japanese sub style

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by deltaonenine »

bowsamic wrote: post #52
deltaonenine wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dub is comical and has bad acting. The pacing and the tone is completely off from how normal people talk. The japanese, even though I don't understand it, has a better tone and the talking doesn't sound forced.

I think it should be comical, because that makes it more entertaining. The sub is more boring because it's more serious sounding. I also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. Generally I far prefer the English dub style to the stern and serious Japanese sub style

Comical in the wrong sense, as in it's so bad it's funny.

The sub is more serious sounding and is a reflection of what the directors vision was. The english version is a mangling of what cowboy bebop was intended to be. Heck Faye in japanese sounds like a 25 year old woman while in the English version she sounds 40.

> also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon.

You realize that anime is a genre in itself that can be as serious as anything else out there? Japanese voice actors are the best in the world. Cowboy bebop has comedic elements but the genre is NOT cartoon, it's science fiction noir with a jazzy element and kung fu. Nowhere in there is "cartoon."

I think you like cartoons. And you like the warped version of what cowboy bebop was not intended to be. Or is this really true? The ending was serious. Was the ending still cartoony to you?

Maybe it isn't that you like cartoons. Maybe you're just use to the voice actors and can see past the horrible acting. Or maybe you're not use to subs. Even so the fact that you can hear the bad acting from the dub shows that you're preference is less than objective. The Japanese version has definitively better acting.

I can't accept the dubbed versions level of acting in a regular Hollywood movie, so I can't accept it if it's in an anime too. The bar doesn't lower for me just because it's an animation, but I guess it does for you.

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by bowsamic »

deltaonenine wrote: post #53
bowsamic wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it should be comical, because that makes it more entertaining. The sub is more boring because it's more serious sounding. I also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. Generally I far prefer the English dub style to the stern and serious Japanese sub style

Comical in the wrong sense, as in it's so bad it's funny. The sub is more serious sounding and is a reflection of what the directors vision was. The english version is a mangling of what cowboy bebop was intended to be. Heck Faye in japanese sounds like a 25 year old woman while in the English version she sounds 40. > also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. You…

> Comical in the wrong sense, as in it's so bad it's funny.

Not really, comical in the funny sense, like I find it entertaining.

> You realize that anime is a genre in itself that can be as serious as anything else out there?

I didn't say that it can't be serious, many cartoons are serious, but even if it's serious that doesn't mean it's like how normal people talk. You do know that Japanese people don't talk like people in anime?

> I think you like cartoons. And you like the warped version of what cowboy bebop was not intended to be. Or is this really true? The ending was serious. Was the ending still cartoony to you?

The serious parts of Cowboy Bebop came off as serious in the dub for me.

> The bar doesn't lower for me just because it's an animation, but I guess it does for you.

I think I just have different tastes to you, which you seem to find confusing or difficult to accept. I guess you would prefer a global hegemony of boring humans that have identical opinions to you, but that's not how it is.

I've watched a reasonable amount of anime, and I almost always prefer the dub, be it Cowboy Bebop, Welcome to the NHK, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Pokemon, even Steins;Gate

I like the Japanese cartoons as much as American ones, but I prefer the English dubs

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by goodpoint »

deltaonenine wrote: post #39
yaomtc wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very rare example of an anime where I prefer the dub to the original audio. Not only was the casting and acting excellent, but they even went the extra mile in the mixing and environmental audio, which was fine in the original but even improved in the dub.

I logged in to comment to say I absolutely despised the dub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdxUNk1wR4 Do not watch the dub.

The dub is horrible. Why dubbers use these inexpressive and "cartoonish" voices? And why the exaggerated accents?

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by goodpoint »

bowsamic wrote: post #52
deltaonenine wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dub is comical and has bad acting. The pacing and the tone is completely off from how normal people talk. The japanese, even though I don't understand it, has a better tone and the talking doesn't sound forced.

I think it should be comical, because that makes it more entertaining. The sub is more boring because it's more serious sounding. I also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. Generally I far prefer the English dub style to the stern and serious Japanese sub style

> it's literally a cartoon

First, it's an anime, not a cartoon. They are different things with a different history.

Second, cartoon or not that does not justify silly voices and poor acting. Just because something is not live action or CGI it does not mean it should be dubbed like the Smurfs.

Additionally, the original author decided the style of the voicing. Dubbing for other languages should respect the author intention and not butcher their work.

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by bowsamic »

goodpoint wrote: post #56
bowsamic wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it should be comical, because that makes it more entertaining. The sub is more boring because it's more serious sounding. I also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. Generally I far prefer the English dub style to the stern and serious Japanese sub style

> it's literally a cartoon First, it's an anime, not a cartoon. They are different things with a different history. Second, cartoon or not that does not justify silly voices and poor acting. Just because something is not live action or CGI it does not mean it should be dubbed like the Smurfs. Additionally, the original author decided the style of the voicing. Dubbing for other languages should respect the author inte…

> First, it's an anime, not a cartoon.

I don't see much of a difference between calling it a Japanese cartoon and an anime. In English they're called cartoons, so I think that's a non-issue

> Second, cartoon or not that does not justify silly voices and poor acting.

> Just because something is not live action or CGI it does not mean it should be dubbed like the Smurfs.

As I said to the other reply, I'm not saying cartoon = silly, I'm saying cartoon = not reality. Even if it were dubbed with serious Japanese voice acting, do you think normal Japanese people talk that way? No.

Cowboy Bebop has funny moments and it has serious moments, I think the funny moments come through better in the dub, and the serious moments are portrayed excellently too. I think the English dub is high quality and more entertaining, and I enjoy it more than the Japanese voices with subs.

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by krapp »

flobosg wrote: post #26
KennyBlanken wrote: post #13

To anyone who watched the disaster that was the netflix live adaptation and was put off - please try the original anime. It's a masterpiece. Animation, characters, storytelling, soundtrack - it's all top shelf. The original intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL-D9LrFJd4 The English dub is better than most, and if you really can't deal with subtitles, go for it - but the original voice actors were some of the best…

Besides, Cowboy Bebop is a great entry point for someone who wants to get into anime.

I don't know. The series is decades old and done at this point, and no longer resembles modern anime in appearance, tone or content. Showing it to a newcomer then leading them into genre that consists of almost nothing but otaku fanservice isekai and shonen battle series would be doing them a disservice.

Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by [deleted] »

deltaonenine wrote: post #39
yaomtc wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very rare example of an anime where I prefer the dub to the original audio. Not only was the casting and acting excellent, but they even went the extra mile in the mixing and environmental audio, which was fine in the original but even improved in the dub.

I logged in to comment to say I absolutely despised the dub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdxUNk1wR4 Do not watch the dub.

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Re: Designing the Characters of 'Cowboy Bebop'

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Post by KronisLV »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #49
otachack wrote: post #41

So many are trashing the live action that I'd like to offer my opinion. I enjoyed it for what it was, a reimagining. Vicious' actor was terrible but he picked up towards the end. John Cho did a good nod to Spike, Mustafa Shakir killed it as Jet, and Daniella Pineda was decent as Faye. What absolutely caught my attention was the production quality of the sets though out the show. Each shot felt heavily inspired by the…

I enjoyed it very much. I feel that people create high expectations just to be ensure they’ll be disappointed. A scene for scene live reenactment would’ve been boring. Just like that Halo show. You can switch things up a bit and do great.

> I feel that people create high expectations just to be ensure they’ll be disappointed.

I might just have low standards, but I never really feel as disappointed as a lot of the community seems to be whenever there's a live action adaptation - be it of Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop or something else.

It's sometimes interesting to see how certain aspects of the original are carried over or changed in the live action. Also, Cowboy Bebop was just pretty to look at!

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