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Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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The homestead of the future is one where multiple generations live together while working remotely. Knowledge work had been reducible to bits for 20 years, now they can be transmitted anywhere in milliseconds, just in time for a family lunch or dinner or movie.

Transmitted anywhere in milliseconds also means transmitted to a lower cost country, so be careful with this flexibility.

Outside of the bean counters, I’ve never heard anything good about the outcomes of any outsourcing project.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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"Netherlands enjoy the highest subjective measure of life satisfaction among all OECD countries. Perhaps one reason is that their mothers are also among the most likely to work part-time." I'm from the Netherlands and can confirm that the 1.5 model is very common. Typically the man has the full-time job and the wife works part-time and combines it with care for the children on the other days. On days where both paren…

> Cynical people may think of it as a semi-old-fashioned model, but I couldn't disagree more. I think it's beautiful for one parent to set aside more time for raising children. The part that's old-fashioned is the assumption that this person will be the mother. Your comment makes it sound like full-time mothers and part-time fathers are still very uncommon.

Doesn't "old fashioned" imply that it goes against the contemporary expectation? Yet the expectation is still the same as it ever was. Not sure why people like you want to pretend like the majority of women would ever be happy with a stay-at-home-husband.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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It sounds nice, but there are extremely large segments that keep society functioning that don't involve knowledge work and can't be done remotely. It's easy to forget how much it takes behind the scences to keep the machine humming smoothly.

> It's easy to forget how much it takes behind the scences to keep the machine humming smoothly. Until your toilet gets clogged.

Somewhat similar to climate crisis. If we shut off AC's globally for two days, we'd figure out the solution.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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The homestead of the future is one where multiple generations live together while working remotely. Knowledge work had been reducible to bits for 20 years, now they can be transmitted anywhere in milliseconds, just in time for a family lunch or dinner or movie.

It sounds nice, but there are extremely large segments that keep society functioning that don't involve knowledge work and can't be done remotely. It's easy to forget how much it takes behind the scences to keep the machine humming smoothly.

It will work for a lot of people, and further the divide we have going on now :D.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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"Netherlands enjoy the highest subjective measure of life satisfaction among all OECD countries. Perhaps one reason is that their mothers are also among the most likely to work part-time." I'm from the Netherlands and can confirm that the 1.5 model is very common. Typically the man has the full-time job and the wife works part-time and combines it with care for the children on the other days. On days where both paren…

> Cynical people may think of it as a semi-old-fashioned model, but I couldn't disagree more. I think it's beautiful for one parent to set aside more time for raising children. The part that's old-fashioned is the assumption that this person will be the mother. Your comment makes it sound like full-time mothers and part-time fathers are still very uncommon.

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Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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"Netherlands enjoy the highest subjective measure of life satisfaction among all OECD countries. Perhaps one reason is that their mothers are also among the most likely to work part-time." I'm from the Netherlands and can confirm that the 1.5 model is very common. Typically the man has the full-time job and the wife works part-time and combines it with care for the children on the other days. On days where both paren…

> Cynical people may think of it as a semi-old-fashioned model, but I couldn't disagree more. I think it's beautiful for one parent to set aside more time for raising children. The part that's old-fashioned is the assumption that this person will be the mother. Your comment makes it sound like full-time mothers and part-time fathers are still very uncommon.

There was a study, which I can't find right now so I'm hoping another person will help me out with the citation, that showed women were less satisfied with stay-at-home men than vice versa.

Anecdotally, once I fully took on the duties of breadwinner our relationship really transformed into the healthiest and most stable it's ever been. She pursues her creative passions and I get the joy of watching her grow. She does do the cooking but she also loves to cook. And no, the cooking and cleaning is not all she does. Her creative passions are much broader and what she spends the most time doing.

I do wonder if some societal trend has completely hijacked our natural inclinations as men and women putting it all behind the veil of "it's all social construct! Dismantle everything!"

I think we should allow for people who identify as either men and women but don't want to fit in what works, naturally, for most people to go be their best self and that society making outcasts of those people in the past was the real problem. You want to fuck men and you are a man? Go do you. You want to identify as a woman but you're biologically a man? Chase your bliss.

However, going on the warpath to upend everything (and then force your new worldview on others) with postmodernist zeal has really been one of the most corrosively destructive things I've seen occur in my entire time alive and it appears to be emanating almost exclusively from the US.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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The homestead of the future is one where multiple generations live together while working remotely. Knowledge work had been reducible to bits for 20 years, now they can be transmitted anywhere in milliseconds, just in time for a family lunch or dinner or movie.

It sounds nice, but there are extremely large segments that keep society functioning that don't involve knowledge work and can't be done remotely. It's easy to forget how much it takes behind the scences to keep the machine humming smoothly.

You don't need every person in the household to work remotely, just enough to be able to collectively handle the housework. You're more likely to cross that threshold with six adults than with two.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cynical people may think of it as a semi-old-fashioned model, but I couldn't disagree more. I think it's beautiful for one parent to set aside more time for raising children. The part that's old-fashioned is the assumption that this person will be the mother. Your comment makes it sound like full-time mothers and part-time fathers are still very uncommon.

There was a study, which I can't find right now so I'm hoping another person will help me out with the citation, that showed women were less satisfied with stay-at-home men than vice versa. Anecdotally, once I fully took on the duties of breadwinner our relationship really transformed into the healthiest and most stable it's ever been. She pursues her creative passions and I get the joy of watching her grow. She does…

> Anecdotally, once I fully took on the duties of breadwinner our relationship really transformed into the healthiest and most stable it's ever been. She pursues her creative passions and I get the joy of watching her grow.

The problem here is the power imbalance. At least in the US, she has the power to divorce you at any time for no reason and date a different man, and you still have to support her with alimony/child support as if you were still together, but she of course no longer has to do any home making duties for you. It's a terrible deal for the breadwinner (generally the man). If you work a stressful but high paying job, you permanently lose the option to choose a lower stress lower paying job because the family court will assess your earning potential based on the high paying job and expect you to pay her forever based on that.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transmitted anywhere in milliseconds also means transmitted to a lower cost country, so be careful with this flexibility.

Outside of the bean counters, I’ve never heard anything good about the outcomes of any outsourcing project.

> I’ve never heard anything good about the outcomes of any outsourcing project

Cloud computing.

Re: Pursuing the Reunification of Home and Work

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"Netherlands enjoy the highest subjective measure of life satisfaction among all OECD countries. Perhaps one reason is that their mothers are also among the most likely to work part-time." I'm from the Netherlands and can confirm that the 1.5 model is very common. Typically the man has the full-time job and the wife works part-time and combines it with care for the children on the other days. On days where both paren…

For the sake of clarity, that quote is specifically about children - full quote is "Children in the Netherlands enjoy the highest subjective measure of life satisfaction among all OECD countries".
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