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FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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I'd rather have two providers that offers 25Mbps than one that offers 100Mbps. I don't need 100, or even 50. But Comcast has been jacking up their prices, along with increasing the minimum speed available, for years. They respond to government regulations like these. I'm now paying 2x what I used to (from $25 to $50/mo), and getting 2x the speed. But I don't want to be forced to buy 2x the speed (or even faster, as t…

>I don't need 100

Idk, downloading games at multiple MB/s is pretty sweet.

Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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The problem, in the USA for most people, is Comcast. Downspeed hardly matters. It's been plenty for decades. Upload speed has stagnated. I uploaded as fast in 2003 as I do now in 2022. And as others have said, it's not so much about 1 fast provider as many providers and choice. In my comcast monopoly my plan started at $60/mo in 2011 and without any changes on my end and no change in my upload speed that price has in…

The problem is lack of competition. My father gets outstanding service at his house in RI because he can switch to about 3 providers. When he threatens to cancel they know he means it. I get fisted by Cuckcast up here in NH because they're the only choice.

This is the key - capitalism only works when there is viable competition, otherwise it's just a monopoly.

They got around this in the UK by splitting the monopoly (well, except for Kingston upon hull) into BT and OpenReach. OpenReach provides the infrastructure, and are bound by government regulation to provide open access to last mile infrastructure for a fixed fee per product - this allows a load of ISP's to offer their own value-add services.

AAISP is pricey, but you get legendary support Zen is less pricey (and unlimited) and good support PlusNet is cheap as chips

The one are this is different with is FTTP - because of the slow roll out on OpenReach's part, plenty of smaller providers have stepped up and built their own infrastructure and cover various parts of the country.

Is it perfect? Of course not, but I'm paying 54 GBP a month for 900 down and 110 up FTTP.

Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

#143

The problem, in the USA for most people, is Comcast. Downspeed hardly matters. It's been plenty for decades. Upload speed has stagnated. I uploaded as fast in 2003 as I do now in 2022. And as others have said, it's not so much about 1 fast provider as many providers and choice. In my comcast monopoly my plan started at $60/mo in 2011 and without any changes on my end and no change in my upload speed that price has in…

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Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

#144

I'd rather have two providers that offers 25Mbps than one that offers 100Mbps. I don't need 100, or even 50. But Comcast has been jacking up their prices, along with increasing the minimum speed available, for years. They respond to government regulations like these. I'm now paying 2x what I used to (from $25 to $50/mo), and getting 2x the speed. But I don't want to be forced to buy 2x the speed (or even faster, as t…

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Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

#145

What resources does a 100 Mbps connection give access to that a 25 Mbps connection does not? You don't need 100 Mbps to access educational content. Khan Academy looks fine in 1080p. And even if it didn't, Netflix says their 4K streams only need 15 Mbps. You don't need 100 Mbps to be a remote knowledge worker. Video calls need a stable connection with low latency—I wish more people used ethernet—but that connection do…

I was able to download and play a 60GB new video game in the same hour on my gigabit connection.

Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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With how slowly these proposals roll out, 100/20 won't be enough. As others said, there is a lack of both competition and pricing to worry about too. In a major tech hub like San Francisco, where I live, it's possible to get 1gb/1gb in some areas for under $90, but which those are isn't consistent nor wide spread. Home cell coverage at 100/20 is spotty at best, and there is only one flat rate vendor (T-Mobile Home, n…

> In a major tech hub like San Francisco, where I live, it's possible to get 1gb/1gb in some areas for under $90 As a point of comparison, I live in a small city in Europe (80k population) and we have 10gb/10gb for $60/month. My internal network is only capable of 2.5gbit, but I can upload at that speed indefinitely. I could honestly not imagine going back to ADSL speeds.

What's the city?

Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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The problem is lack of competition. My father gets outstanding service at his house in RI because he can switch to about 3 providers. When he threatens to cancel they know he means it. I get fisted by Cuckcast up here in NH because they're the only choice.

This is the key - capitalism only works when there is viable competition, otherwise it's just a monopoly. They got around this in the UK by splitting the monopoly (well, except for Kingston upon hull) into BT and OpenReach. OpenReach provides the infrastructure, and are bound by government regulation to provide open access to last mile infrastructure for a fixed fee per product - this allows a load of ISP's to offer…

That's how DSL was supposed to work in the US. The telcos sabotaged it by not maintaining their copper lines and forced the independent ISPs out of business.

Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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5 Mbps down is certainly more than adequate for a single 1080p stream that's been compressed ahead of time. When you have to stitch together multiple real-time streams as in a classroom environment, then the actual numbers can vary significantly. If your kids are forced into remote learning, and you're working from home, then we might be talking more like 3-4 Mbps per person if your network is split 5 or 6 ways. And…

> If you're paying for 20Mbps under the assumption that you'll only need 18Mbps at peak, you'll be frustrated when you end up only getting 15Mbps and all the video calls stutter / cut out intermittently. But isn't that the real problem here? Companies shouldn't be able to advertise a 20 mbps connection if they aren't able to maintain that speed. Dropping one megabit on occasion may be reasonable, but five is at the p…

There are certainly a lot of problems with incumbent ISPs that many other commenters have pointed out: deceptive marketing practices, anti-competitive behavior (ranging from lobby-driven legislation to lock out new entrants, to outright sabotage / destruction of cables), wildly asymmetric up/down speeds driven by economies of scale from 20 years ago, just to name a few.

Yes, even 4k video streaming at 20 Mbps is viable (assuming that your connection is stable). Yes, poor wifi performance / latency / bufferbloat / squirrels eating your coax are more common underlying causes of end-user pain points. But that doesn't mean that there aren't common use cases that benefit significantly from adding more bandwidth, nor does it mean that adding more upstream capacity is useless in the context of these other factors.

Also, let's be realistic: most regulators don't have anywhere close to the level of technical expertise that you'd expect from, say, a network engineer. It's a lot easier to reduce everything to the single dimension that is download speed, and it's a lot easier for a layperson to understand said changes.

It's also a straightforward way to place pressure on ISPs to upgrade their networks if they want to keep saying that X% of their customers have access to broadband plans.

Re: FCC proposes to increase minimum broadband speeds to 100 Mbps

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You have access to residential internet with 10Gbps up and down? I didn't even know that was a thing.

Not in the US :'(

At my house, thanks to Los Altos Hills Community Fiber. It's in the US.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/b6f39b75-d71a-4d89-b0f5-9...

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