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People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

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Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

wutbrodo wrote: post #237
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #232

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I agree that a salmon filet is tasty. I don't often eat a pound of strawberries though. Both of those are too expensive to eat regularly, and like you said a salmon filet is a lot of effort compared to a burger. > I'll have the cheesecake if I really feel like it. That tells me the writing on the wall, and let me be clear about this, the writing is what needs to be written and what people need to read - you're making…

> you're making the decision to NOT have cheesecake when you only kind of feel like it. Chiming in as someone whom the GP comment resonates with: the point here is that you literally come to enjoy it less. The natural amount that you would eat isn't constrained entirely by health choices. I find finishing a single slice of cheesecake to be overwhelming: a second one would be actively unpleasant. If you were following…

> I ate like you

That's a weird judgement to throw in the midst. I haven't laid claim to my eating habits. I've had great success in losing weight in the past as well as recently by changing my eating habits for the positive. I just wanted people to realize that it's not always just a matter of learning to love yummy veggies and forgetting about icky cheesecake.

> if your preferences are aligned with healthy eating, you need to push against them less.

Agreed - but people have to accept that their preferences aren't always and possibly not ever going to align with healthy eating.

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Post by rmoriz »

nradov wrote: post #190
jliptzin wrote: post #180

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It’s good you are honest with yourself about it. Unfortunately I don’t know what the solution is, if you find one let me know so I can pass on to my friends. I binge eat too; it’s just doesn’t take that much to get me full. If I had to eat more to feel full, I’d be fat too. Very few people have the willpower to stop eating while still hungry and with food in front of them.

Similar to substance abuse problems, people with overeating issues often have to "hit rock bottom" in order to gain sufficient motivation and discipline to sustain a permanent behavior change. This often takes the form of a serious medical crisis, or losing a valued personal relationship.

Why people develop an addiction? The way to overcome is to understand why you became addicted. Every obese person I know has a cause that triggered them into overeating.

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Post by jimmydddd »

butwhywhyoh wrote: post #163
convexfunction wrote: post #156

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> losing body fat means that you must continuously make choices that decrease your comfort in some way - eating fewer highly rewarding foods, maintaining a state of hunger, increasing activity level Not necessarily! I've successfully lost a lot of body fat (~50 pounds over the last 18 months) by deliberately changing my diet to eat more foods (that I like) that are lower in energy density than what I was eating befor…

You just restated what the OP said, but tried to paint it somehow in a more positive light. You yourself stated you are "eating fewer ... highly rewarding foods". So what exactly are you contradicting in their statement?

By "stereotypically" highly rewarding, I think they are saying that they were able, over time, to increase their enjoyment of less calorie dense food. One non-traditional diet book I read basically said, "many people have to eat more vegetables to successfully diet. So spend a month experimenting with preparing different vegetables all different ways until you find ways to prepare vegetable meals that you find delicious."

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

tharkun__ wrote: post #238
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #193

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They are trying to convince everyone that the fruit & veg & lean meats is every bit as enjoyable as a steak and piece of cheesecake. It may be for them, but as a rule I have my doubts.

They do it that way. It does not have to be. You just gotta eat different highly rewarding foods. E.g. do eat that steak. But without a BBQ sauce you bought. Just salt and pepper is great actually. But a butter and cream garlic sauce (no sugar) is also awesome. Maybe some blue cheese on top instead? Skip the potato. Just that steak with some nice caramelized onions or veggies you like as a side. But that's not even n…

My success has always come without a real gimmick and simply calorie counting. Have what you want, but be aware what you're eating and work towards a goal. I set a slow weight loss goal so I'm not hungry due to extreme of a deficit. I can still eat my ice cream if I've made sure that I still have caloric room at the end of the day. After a while off counting I find my proportions are getting too big, I realign with some tracking again, and carry on.

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Post by Macha »

ajuc wrote: post #121
chrisseaton wrote: post #86

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> I've known very active cyclists that couldn't lose weight despite riding hundred mile rides weekly. Isn’t this against the laws of physics? If you’re burning a ton of energy and not eating excessively, where are their bodies getting mass from to maintain weight?

100 miles weekly isn't THAT much in terms of kcal. 10 miles is about 600 kcal. 100 miles is 6000 kcal, let's say 7000 to round that to 1000 kcal a day. Eating 1000 kcal more a day is pretty easy to do without noticing. Especially when you eat a lot on the day that you biked (cause "you earned it"). For example 2 liter bottle of coke is 800 kcal and 1 protein bar is about 250 kcal and you're already over the budget (a…

I think most people (especially people who think they're eating healthy) would notice a 2L bottle of coke.

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Post by notacoward »

jobigoud wrote: post #222
notacoward wrote: post #186

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BMI seems to be one of those things that everyone in the relevant field knows is pretty damn bad, but no consensus has formed around anything better so they keep using it anyway. (I'm sure there are parallels to things in the software world - SQL comes quickly to mind - but that's a bit OT so I'll resist the temptation to explore that idea further.)

It's a good enough first approximation for the vast majority of people but because it's not perfect it is criticized by people with unfavorable numbers… which is the majority of people in certain societies.

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Post by Macha »

balls187 wrote: post #133

I eat all the time. I run hot. I also fat. I also think BMI is not a good measurement, not just because it says I'm morbidly obese, but also because it skews in favor of those with smaller frames for their height.

Personally my idle body temperature seems to scale with my weight. In my teens and early 20s I was on the underweight/healthy boundary and would really feel the cold. At my peak weight mid-covid I was mid-overweight BMI and the amount of sweating I did definitely increased. I've been losing it again since resuming a more normal level of exercise as covid restrictions ease, and I'm about back into the healthy zone which is losing it a lot faster than I put it on, so I'm curious if I notice any differences in perceived body heat as the trend continues.

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Post by googlryas »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #66
ianbutler wrote: post #48

Does this breakdown when you gain weight? Like when I was 20 I weighed 180lbs of solid muscle and was always like a furnace. Then I slipped a disk and now at 28 I'm lucky if I hover around 240 (I've actually been back lifting for the last 2.5 months and feel pretty good) but I definitely feel like I run colder in general now that I'm overweight.

Gaining muscle mass will often lead to a quick onset of obesity once you stop lifting.

Sure, but if you stop lifting you will probably stop eating as much as you were before. At least, that's what happens with me.

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Post by Macha »

jdminhbg wrote: post #225
TedShiller wrote: post #208

There is so much content saying “calorie counting doesn’t work!”, but actually it really does. If you eat less than you burn you will lose weight.

"Calorie counting" describes the input. This article is about the output. Maybe read it instead of giving a tautological but also wrong dismissal?

Calorie counting can also mean CICO, to be fair.

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Post by borroka »

vorpalhex wrote: post #203
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #193

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They are trying to convince everyone that the fruit & veg & lean meats is every bit as enjoyable as a steak and piece of cheesecake. It may be for them, but as a rule I have my doubts.

I've had this weird obsession with that Alone show, but there was an episode where one of the contestants decides her nutrition is messed up and she's going to eat the stomach contents of some wild hares she's trapped. She describes it as one of the tastiest meals she had the entire show. Literally half digested arctic vegetation. Your body rewards you for eating those things which satisfy your needs. McDonalds will…

One can and will lose weight (say, a 220 pound man) by eating two medium McDonald's Big Mac Menu a day (no sauce, diet soda option). It amounts to 1800 kcal per day. Being lean trumps quality of food and "healthy" whatever for health short-term. That's a set result at this point.

That is, and this not medical advice, but something I have a done a few times while on vacation, you can do a 10-15-21 days of the above-mentioned McDonald's diet and easily get leaner without starving, looking for "healthy foods", counting calories or steps.

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