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People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

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Post by batty_alex »

notacoward wrote: post #186
balls187 wrote: post #133

I eat all the time. I run hot. I also fat. I also think BMI is not a good measurement, not just because it says I'm morbidly obese, but also because it skews in favor of those with smaller frames for their height.

BMI seems to be one of those things that everyone in the relevant field knows is pretty damn bad, but no consensus has formed around anything better so they keep using it anyway. (I'm sure there are parallels to things in the software world - SQL comes quickly to mind - but that's a bit OT so I'll resist the temptation to explore that idea further.)

> but no consensus has formed around anything better

BSA (DuBois method, usually) is more common (and considered a better measurement) outside of the states and is more accurate for folks outside of the "average" range. BMI is probably so popular because of how simple the formula is, compared to something like BSA

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Post by neal_jones »

jliptzin wrote: post #145
the_only_law wrote: post #35

Seems to line up with my experience, am always burning up (until I turn on the AC and freeze) Especially at night though I have to to jack the temperature down or I won't sleep. Also less hungry aligns pretty well. Unfortunately when I get hungry, it's normally "a little hungry) at akward spread out intervals. I probably feel most hungry after midnight but never eat then because well, I have to sleep soon. I've tried…

Same for me. Even as Ive tried to gain weight, my weight barely budged. 150-155 for at least the last 10 years. I have obese (300lb+) friends and they insist they don’t eat that much more than me. Except they do. We go out to eat, we stop eating after about 5-10 min. I’m full and done. They burp a couple times, then proceed to keep eating, smothering everything in Mayo and bbq sauce. Then they get insane desserts. An…

Yea, I’ve been told I have a “fast metabolism” but I’m inclined to not eating for 15-20hr stretches and but (different from yourself) when eating out I’ll can sometimes eat thousands of calories. People will say it’s not fair but the part they don’t see is that I could easily be in a caloric deficit for a week or two

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Post by vorpalhex »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #193
butwhywhyoh wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just restated what the OP said, but tried to paint it somehow in a more positive light. You yourself stated you are "eating fewer ... highly rewarding foods". So what exactly are you contradicting in their statement?

They are trying to convince everyone that the fruit & veg & lean meats is every bit as enjoyable as a steak and piece of cheesecake. It may be for them, but as a rule I have my doubts.

I've had this weird obsession with that Alone show, but there was an episode where one of the contestants decides her nutrition is messed up and she's going to eat the stomach contents of some wild hares she's trapped.

She describes it as one of the tastiest meals she had the entire show. Literally half digested arctic vegetation.

Your body rewards you for eating those things which satisfy your needs. McDonalds will do that, but so will a salad.

One of the fad diets for a while was the "one thing" diet. You could have anything you wanted.. but you could only eat that single item that entire day. Cheesecake? You're having cheesecake for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Very quickly participants discover it is very easy to burn out on sweets and junk.

If you eat nutritious food that will actually give you that reward craving.

Also, nothing wrong with steak. Nothing really wrong with cheesecake either - but you only need a tiny bit of those things. There's a reason most people want tiny steaks and not big honking ones, especially people who eat steak with regularity.

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Post by treeman79 »

jliptzin wrote: post #145
the_only_law wrote: post #35

Seems to line up with my experience, am always burning up (until I turn on the AC and freeze) Especially at night though I have to to jack the temperature down or I won't sleep. Also less hungry aligns pretty well. Unfortunately when I get hungry, it's normally "a little hungry) at akward spread out intervals. I probably feel most hungry after midnight but never eat then because well, I have to sleep soon. I've tried…

Same for me. Even as Ive tried to gain weight, my weight barely budged. 150-155 for at least the last 10 years. I have obese (300lb+) friends and they insist they don’t eat that much more than me. Except they do. We go out to eat, we stop eating after about 5-10 min. I’m full and done. They burp a couple times, then proceed to keep eating, smothering everything in Mayo and bbq sauce. Then they get insane desserts. An…

I’ve found that eating a small amount will drastically up my hunger. So I’ll easily consume a huge meal.

But if I eat a small small amount, wait 30 minutes the hunger fades and I will feel full.

So basically a 30 minute delay between being full and feeling full.

That’s a huge window for a lot of calories.

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Post by hutrdvnj »

CJefferson wrote: post #113

I think the hungry bit is often under-discussed. I lost 75kg over 3 years, then put exactly 75kg back on over the 4 years after that. While losing weight, and keeping it off (for about 6 months), I was hungry all the time, every day. I hoped that my body would eventually "get used" to the new standard, but in the end (not conciously), I gave up -- it was too mentally tiring to be hungry whenever I was awake. I'm sure…

I have the same problem with raw vegetables, but there's different types of food, some food stops your hunger for like 30-60 minutes (e.g. ice cream) whereas other food can last for several hours, both having the same amount of calories. The "trick" is in my case to find food that satisfies my brain and makes me full for many hours, then eat such food in 95% of times.

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Post by jobigoud »

zhynn wrote: post #74
sudden_dystopia wrote: post #42

The study was underweight bmi vs healthy bmi. Nothing about overweight bmi, which I would assume is the trifecta of overeating, little activity, and slower metabolism. At least that is my personal experience in going from overweight to healthy bmi. Really not surprising that people that eat less have lower bmi and higher metabolism than people that eat more with a slower metabolism but who are more active.

you missed the important point, IMO: being hungry. it's bizarre that we can be mechanically and nutritionally full yet still be hungry. These low BMI individuals were not hungry. WTF is going on with the hunger response being so messed up in a huge segment of the population?

"Being hungry" has different definitions and corresponds to two very different body sensations. If you eat at a regular time every day, you'll get "hungry" around that time, whether your body really needs it or not. But if you skip that meal at some point the cravings disappear… so it wasn't really physiological then, just a mind trick from hormones. The other "hungry" you can feel it like a vacuum in your stomach and is painful.

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Post by [deleted] »

marifjeren wrote: post #82

"people with low BMI" seems like it refers to a large group of healthy people, but it actually refers to folks who are underweight. In China, that's like 1 in 10 people. In the USA it's closer to 1 in 50. I wonder what kind of genetics and behavior you have to have to be underweight in the USA.

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Post by giantg2 »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #69
giantg2 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised how little is said about traditional diets. It's like everyone has to have the same numbers, diet, etc. If they don't, then it's automatically statins or bust.

Yes, but "traditional diets" for who? An Inuit? A Mediterranean farmer? A Sri Lankin Indian? Our traditional diets changes our genetics, so who you are will determine what is healthy for you. I agree with the statin. They tried to force them on me. I took a look at my genetics, changes my diet accordingly, and LDL and HDL reversed in three weeks and I have the blood work to prove it.

"Our traditional diets changes our genetics, so who you are will determine what is healthy for you."

That's my point - traditional for the individual based on their ancestry.

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Post by Pakdef »

the_only_law wrote: post #35

Seems to line up with my experience, am always burning up (until I turn on the AC and freeze) Especially at night though I have to to jack the temperature down or I won't sleep. Also less hungry aligns pretty well. Unfortunately when I get hungry, it's normally "a little hungry) at akward spread out intervals. I probably feel most hungry after midnight but never eat then because well, I have to sleep soon. I've tried…

> Seems to line up with my experience, am always burning up (until I turn on the AC and freeze)

I can't gain weight but I also love the heat... I don't have the A/C on right now and it's 84F inside.

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