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Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by inglor_cz »

stewx wrote: post #79
inglor_cz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

> even Iran refused to sell their drones to them "White House says Iran is preparing to supply Russia with weapons-capable drones" https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/11/politics/iran-russia-weapons-...

They deny this. I suspect we will know soon. If they really go against their word, drones are hard to hide.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/iran-says-refused-supply-dron...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by qaq »

inglor_cz wrote: post #73
UkrainianJew wrote: post #68

I find it rather worrying in the long term. Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. Export oil & gas, import everything else, let the cronies pocket the proceeds, while having most manufacturing, defense and tech exist mostly on paper. People like Rogozin were promoted based on the loyalty and willingness to give a cut of the pie further up the ladder. Currently this trend a…

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

HIMARS is a very formidable addition to the arsenal, but in general quantities supplied are extremely modest to really turn the tide. Hopefully the deliveries will step up.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by somenameforme »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #34
r721 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a recent episode (he was banned from Twitter for that): "Dmitry Rogozin (Director General of Russia’s Roskosmos State Space Agency, former Deputy Prime Minister) – comments on his Twitter feed and Telegram channel (June 13, 2022) “In general, what has grown up in the place of Ukraine is an existential threat to the Russian people, Russian history, Russian language and Russian civilization. If we do not put an…

(I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.) I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to…

There's one name that sums up the issues in Ukraine better than perhaps any other: Stepan Bandera [1]. He was killed in 1959, yet remains a major figure in understanding the divide in Ukraine. He was even made a Hero of Ukraine (Ukraine's highest honor) before that honor was annulled by Yanukovych (the president overthrown in 2014) on a technicality.

Going down that rabbit hole or learning about things like the "2014 Odessa Clashes [2]" (and think about how we would treat that event, or even call it, had it happened to the side that we're supposed to like) or even the Language Policy in Ukraine [3], and you can actually start to see how deep in information warfare we currently are. And it's unpleasant.

I am avoiding doing much beyond giving references for you to read yourself largely because of what you mentioned. In the current atmosphere it's basically impossible to actually discuss the war in an open fashion, and probably will remain so for years to come.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odessa_clashes

[3] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by Rebelgecko »

option wrote: post #63

Thanks to rogozin, Russia is the first ever former space state.

How do you define former space state?

For example, IIRC the UK is the only country that voluntarily gave up all launch capabilities (they're trying to reverse this though). The US had a patch not too long ago where we couldn't launch humans ourselves (getting people to the ISS was outsourced to Russia)

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by inglor_cz »

qaq wrote: post #82
inglor_cz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

HIMARS is a very formidable addition to the arsenal, but in general quantities supplied are extremely modest to really turn the tide. Hopefully the deliveries will step up.

They are enough to f*ck up Russian logistics behind the lines. Without a massive supply of shells from the rear to the guns themselves, the Russian artillery is incapable of executing their beloved "bomb everything into pieces" WWI-style doctrine.

And the Ukrainians have destroyed an untold number of Russian ammo dumps in the last weeks. Some of the explosions have been truly spectacular. This isn't something you can easily remedy. Any new ammo dump in range will be quickly spotted by either American spy satellites or local Ukrainian spies that are probably still active in Donbass - and get blasted to hell.

HIMARS is not enough to reconquer the lost territories, true. But it is enough to give Russians a forced operational pause.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by SantiagoElf »

inglor_cz wrote: post #73
UkrainianJew wrote: post #68

I find it rather worrying in the long term. Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. Export oil & gas, import everything else, let the cronies pocket the proceeds, while having most manufacturing, defense and tech exist mostly on paper. People like Rogozin were promoted based on the loyalty and willingness to give a cut of the pie further up the ladder. Currently this trend a…

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

You mean, how Russia technically controls 20-25% of Ukraine's territory ?

Do you see what those sanctions against Russian cheap energy are doing in Europe:

- Estonia Goverment fell

- Bulgaria Goverment fell

- UK Goverment fell

- Italy's PM resigned

It's not even August. Do you know what will happen when colder months hit ? :)

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

kingofpandora wrote: post #58
lotusmars wrote: post #23

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Yeah, he was heading actual Nazi parades. There are enough videos on YouTube with him at the rallies wearing a leather jacket with saluting neo-Nazis around. He also uses N-words and F-words freely. He first gained notoriety at 2003 parliament elections leading a pro-Putin ultranationalist party Rodina. One of Rodina’s TV ads were comparing Caucausus people to street trash. People say though that Rogozin is not a big…

> Yeah, he was heading actual Nazi parades. There are enough videos on YouTube with him at the rallies wearing a leather jacket with saluting neo-Nazis around. He also uses N-words and F-words freely. > One of Rodina’s TV ads were comparing Caucausus people to street trash. This seems to be a common trait across the political spectrum in Russia. The darling of the west, Alexei Navalny, is just as nationalist and xeno…

It’s because there’s a huge support for these views in Russia.

And any politician who actually wants to succeed is bound to channel this energy or at least address it.

Russia has severe ongoing problems with national tensions and conflicts.

Not only between Russians and other nations but among those nations as well (e.g. ingush vs chechen).

Main reason is that Russia was built as a colonialist empire. Most ethnic regions had nothing in common except for being conquered.

That led to bad blood such as ongoing ethnic conflicts, disputed regions and insurgencies being crushed by Kremlin using mostly ethnically white army.

Multiple bombings of Grozny easily rival current destruction of Ukraine, along with mass rape and pillaging.

Conscripts were executed and tortured by locals which led to army’s brutal retaliation leading to cycle of violence.

Ethnic crime also contributed with some diasporas having immense powers in Moscow.

This boiling cocktail leads to a huge albeit suppressed anger amongst general population.

A politician who proposes disbanding Russian Federation and imposing a visa regime with ethnic regions will ride a wave of support not seen by Putin.

That’s why Putin crushes any nationalist opposition much harder than liberal one. It’s the biggest threat to his rule if there’s one.

Rogozin served mainly as a spoiler. His fake party sponged some dissent votes in 2003 and then disappeared. Once again even if his Nazi views are genuine, he’s a power hungry Machiavelist first.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by tomjen3 »

SantiagoElf wrote: post #86
inglor_cz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

You mean, how Russia technically controls 20-25% of Ukraine's territory ? Do you see what those sanctions against Russian cheap energy are doing in Europe: - Estonia Goverment fell - Bulgaria Goverment fell - UK Goverment fell - Italy's PM resigned It's not even August. Do you know what will happen when colder months hit ? :)

The UK government fell because Boris was a lying fool to the wrong people. Be careful not to assume that because something big happened it must be the cause of something else.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by inglor_cz »

SantiagoElf wrote: post #86
inglor_cz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

You mean, how Russia technically controls 20-25% of Ukraine's territory ? Do you see what those sanctions against Russian cheap energy are doing in Europe: - Estonia Goverment fell - Bulgaria Goverment fell - UK Goverment fell - Italy's PM resigned It's not even August. Do you know what will happen when colder months hit ? :)

"UK Goverment fell" - it didn't, only the PM did. Johnson appointed a sexual predator to be the Chief Whip of the Tory faction in the Parliament and it was one mistake too many. It has nothing to do with sanctions against Russia. The government will continue under a new PM.

"Bulgaria Goverment fell" - Bulgaria has had by now four(?) early elections in a row, which predate the war in Ukraine. The Bulgarian political situation is an internal mess.

"Italy's PM resigned" - Italy has had 69 governments since WWII, nothing unusual there.

"Estonia Goverment fell" - Estonia is very anti-Russian in practice. Their next government is likely to be formed by the very same PM.

The EU has some 30 countries. Unlike Russia or odd exceptions like Merkel, their leaders come and go fairly frequently. Even 8 governmental changes in a year wouldn't be particularly strange in a club of 30 democracies.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by pinewurst »

inglor_cz wrote: post #70
stoobs wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that seems to be becoming the new "sent to Siberia", although I very much doubt he'll be placing himself directly in danger, unless he had no choice. Either way, he picked his poison long ago.

The whole of Donbass is in range of HIMARS and a high officer for the occupation will definitely be on the shortlist of possible targets. So unless he surrounds himself with human shields most of the time, or moves really stealthily around, Rogozin is in for a rather risky career change.

Why target him though? Incompetent enemy leadership is to be encouraged, and Rogozin is bottom of the pile.
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