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People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

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Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

#81

Does this breakdown when you gain weight? Like when I was 20 I weighed 180lbs of solid muscle and was always like a furnace. Then I slipped a disk and now at 28 I'm lucky if I hover around 240 (I've actually been back lifting for the last 2.5 months and feel pretty good) but I definitely feel like I run colder in general now that I'm overweight.

Gaining muscle mass will often lead to a quick onset of obesity once you stop lifting.

Nonsense.

What I mean is, the fact that you have muscle mass and stop lifting is not what's going to lead to "a quick onset of obesity." What leads to weight gain is still eating like you're lifting when you're not.

If you adjust your caloric intake to account for your new level of caloric expenditure, you will not gain weight, although you will likely see unfavorable body composition changes.

Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

#82
"people with low BMI" seems like it refers to a large group of healthy people, but it actually refers to folks who are underweight.

In China, that's like 1 in 10 people. In the USA it's closer to 1 in 50. I wonder what kind of genetics and behavior you have to have to be underweight in the USA.

Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

#83
Yes, and, about 8 minutes of true HIIT* at least 3 days a week for 6 weeks is proven to adjust your metabolic run level.

Graph your weight. After 6 weeks of HIIT, you'll see weight really shed because you're not burning calories during exercise but 24/7, and because of that metabolic shift, the weight will continue to shed for months even if you stop HIIT.

* HIIT is High Intensity Interval Training. It's a technical term, doesn't mean "oooh, that was intense". It means exercise at level that forces your body into using different metabolic mechanisms to fuel your effort. Initially it will probably make you feel ill. If you aren't used to it, and are doing it right, you will probably feel nauseous after the effort.

Your aim is expending energy about 4 minutes above your VO2Max, doing anaerobic exercise.

In a 4 - 8 minute routine called Tabata intervals** you can do:

- 2 minute warmup to hit your second highest heart rate band (probably 125 - 135), then

- 4 one minute intervals at max heart rate, generally 30 - 45 seconds "on" and 15 - 30 seconds recovery, four times in a row, followed by

- 2 minutes cooldown.

You can probably not hit these heart rates on foot or on normal exercise machines, you probably need a climber, rower, or elliptical (in that order of 'kicks your ass').

** For iOS, try the app "Seconds Pro" which offers brilliant timer routines for loops within loops.

EDIT TO ADD ANECDATA GRAPH:

Here is my personal graph in 2015 and 2016 when I tried this in my mid-40s to get rid of the 30 lbs gain that happened after I hit 40 with a corresponding metabolic slowdown:

https://i.imgur.com/pvbvoMy.jpg

I bought a Nokia scale about a month into HIIT in late spring, and stopped HIIT a couple weeks later.

After stopping, dropped 10 lbs from early summer through the fall. Over winter, began to gain.

Did HIIT again in spring of 2016 for six more weeks.

Stopped when weight started shedding, dropped another 10 lbs.

Finally, did one last cycle in 2017, dropped another 10 lbs.

Overall graph from 2015 to 2021 (stopped bothering with the scale because was steady state):

https://i.imgur.com/U6U7HrH.jpg

Haven't done HIIT since 2017, no purposeful exercise except for a few weeks of swimming in 2018. The three rounds of HIIT seem to have adjusted me back to my high school weight/metabolism balance.

WARNING: These heart rate numbers are examples, see your doctor. Anerobic exercise and heart rate in your max heart rate band are potentially dangerous.

Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

#85
post #74

The study was underweight bmi vs healthy bmi. Nothing about overweight bmi, which I would assume is the trifecta of overeating, little activity, and slower metabolism. At least that is my personal experience in going from overweight to healthy bmi. Really not surprising that people that eat less have lower bmi and higher metabolism than people that eat more with a slower metabolism but who are more active.

you missed the important point, IMO: being hungry. it's bizarre that we can be mechanically and nutritionally full yet still be hungry. These low BMI individuals were not hungry. WTF is going on with the hunger response being so messed up in a huge segment of the population?

IMO this is one of the biggest and most interesting questions of the last century with the widest and most frightening implications.

If literally a majority of people in wealthy nations are what we define as overweight, and we keep finding new ways that is at least somewhat out of our control or difficult to perfectly control, why do we keep framing it as solely a matter of individual discipline or virtue? I have my own guesses about why of course, but pretty much all of the possibilities are unsettling.

Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

#86
post #68

The study was underweight bmi vs healthy bmi. Nothing about overweight bmi, which I would assume is the trifecta of overeating, little activity, and slower metabolism. At least that is my personal experience in going from overweight to healthy bmi. Really not surprising that people that eat less have lower bmi and higher metabolism than people that eat more with a slower metabolism but who are more active.

I've known very active cyclists that couldn't lose weight despite riding hundred mile rides weekly. In my youth, I could eat anything and do nothing and not suffer the consequences. I definitely fit the "run hot" part but I was the plate-cleaner in my family and didn't really stop eating like that until I was in my late 30s and suddenly started gaining weight.

> I've known very active cyclists that couldn't lose weight despite riding hundred mile rides weekly.

Isn’t this against the laws of physics? If you’re burning a ton of energy and not eating excessively, where are their bodies getting mass from to maintain weight?

Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

#88
post #49

Seems to line up with my experience, am always burning up (until I turn on the AC and freeze) Especially at night though I have to to jack the temperature down or I won't sleep. Also less hungry aligns pretty well. Unfortunately when I get hungry, it's normally "a little hungry) at akward spread out intervals. I probably feel most hungry after midnight but never eat then because well, I have to sleep soon. I've tried…

Alcohol and ice cream before bed will help you gain weight. Doesn't even have to be a lot - like one drink and 1/2-1 cup of ice cream.

Technically they're best consumed in the morning, from a caloric standpoint.

Re: People with low BMI aren't more active, they are just less hungry, 'run hotter'

#90

If I were playing a game of trying to extrapolate HN titles by the comment sections, my guess for this one would be "Ask HN: What's your BMI and what does that say about you"

Instead we get boring meta comments.

I'm only myself of course but to me, "why did so many people read this as an invitation to share personal health details with strangers in public" is actually a pretty interesting question. Sorry it was boring to you.
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