Ask HN: What is your experience with SSRIs?
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#33I got on 10 mg escitalopram (Lexapro) in 2014 for social anxiety disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, and depression. I just tapered off these last few months. Pros: * Legitimate reductions to anxiety - no longer crippling most of the time. * Made it harder to fall into depressive episodes. So, it did its job, I guess. * Did not make me a blunted zombie or sterilize my brain. Cons: * Increased sleepiness: unable t…
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#34To set the stage.. except the bathing and teeth thing, I'm you, just 10 years older. I didn't want the medicine. I did therapy, worked out, ran a bunch, I look like I go to the gym, I don't smoke or drink, all of the typical stuff you read as alternatives. I have 2 kids, solid marriage, CEO of a company, loving parents, no issues outside of my own head. But my life has been out of control for years. I started 20mg es…
How did you find the first month? I’m terrified of starting as I’ve read that the side effects can render you unable to do anything for weeks.
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#35However, I was (...am) depressed, and I have ADHD. I have been medicated for the latter since I was in middle school. I prefer to work through the former myself.
While I've gone places and I've done cool things, part of me feels like it's the meds, not me. I struggle with that every day. I can do basic things off my meds. But my job? Hell no.
I say this for two reasons. First: meds aren't going to flip a switch and make you happy and perfect. Second: the worst thing I deal with on a daily basis is impostor syndrome. Given my family history, that's pretty damn good.
You owe it to yourself to try helping yourself. You deserve it.
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#39I also want to tell you that it's a lie. You don't have your brain right now. A well-operating brain does not typically do the things your brain is doing. Maybe by your "brain" you mean your intellect and your insight into your situation, which you fortunately do have - but I can assure you that SSRIs are not going to diminish this, in fact, they're likely to do the opposite.
I take 10mg of citalopram and 60mg of buspirone daily. Eventually, I plan to switch that up and take 20mg of citalopram, dropping the buspirone.* Like you, I was incredibly nervous about starting them. I tried duloxetine (couldn't stomach it, literally) and bupropion (too anxiety-inducing, though it had a nice stimulating effect) before trying my current blend. Each medication brought with it fears along similar lines to yours: sexual side effects, losing my intellect, blunting my emotions, losing my sense of self/continuity. Here's what actually happened:
About a month after I started on citalopram, I encountered a situation which would commonly provoke a panic attack... and it didn't come. I knew that I should feel anxious, that I had felt that way in the past in these situations, and indeed, I was worried - but only in a normal way, "hmm, this could be a problem." Not the shaking and fast breathing and inability to think about anything else that panic attacks bring. It was a fascinating, slightly disassociative sensation, to know that by all the rules of my own brain that I was used to, I ought to be feeling awful, and instead I felt okay. Not happy, not unconcerned, but rational, functional, so, okay. I don't feel artificially happy because I'm still not happy. I'm just able to deal with my problems.
This continues to be my experience. I still have panic attacks sometimes. I'm still an anxious person. But there are lots of situations now where rather than feeling intensely anxious, I now just feel a normal amount of concern. Like a normal person would. I'm still me. I'm as sharp (or dull) as ever. It's just the panic that is missing, and I don't feel any lesser for it.
I have experienced side effects: Buspirone makes me very dizzy, and hungover if I miss a dose, so I take it just before bed. Citalopram makes me more activated/awake, so I take it in the morning. Some people feel the opposite, or nothing. I have had sexual side effects as well. They were moderately unpleasant, but they went away after a few months and now I am normal again. (I'm confident I didn't just get used to them and mistake them for normal, because I no longer have problems I temporarily had.)
Getting on and tapering off these drugs is a pain in the ass. (Start slowly. Do not start with the full 20mg, you won't feel good.) And it is true that there is an extremely small non-zero chance that you could be permanently altered in some way - sexual or otherwise - by trying one. But I would view that as an extraordinarily unlikely occurrence - you are almost certainly not that unlucky, because almost nobody is. I would recommend giving them a try.
A resource I found very helpful was Lorien Psychology's SSRI article: https://lorienpsych.com/2020/10/25/ssris/. This is by Scott Alexander, the same person who writes Slate Star Codex, but is more recent work. There are lots of things Alexander writes and believes that I don't agree with, but he is a licensed psychiatrist and I find his approach helpful.
I also want to say that I think from your description you may need more help than what any med or combination of meds can provide. You should devote the energy you have to finding a good therapist that you can trust. This is much harder than it should be and probably merits its own Ask HN/discussion, but once you have one, you will have a much easier time making these decisions with their help. I recommend regular talk therapy, too - whether with your psychiatrist or a separate provider. SSRIs work best when they are not the only treatment you're trying.
*(Note that buspirone is not an SSRI, which is why I only address it tangentially. I'm getting rid of it because its benefit is pretty marginal compared to citalopram, and I feel disproportionately bad if I miss a dose. It's a great "gateway drug" to SSRIs though, if you want to try it. My side effects are unfortunate but very very rare.)
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#40I would say before resorting to exogenous chemicals, try working out. Weightlifting changed my life. Maybe it will help you, maybe not, but there seems to be a habit to treat symptoms rather than address underlying causes.