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Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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I'm genuinely curious why you say this. Could you please elaborate? I've only worked at publicly traded companies. I don't understand how this wouldn't be the exact situation you'd want to be in. my understanding is this: 1. If you're granted options at price X, and the new share price is lower than X, you're under no obligation to exercise your options. So no real financial loss or cost to you. 2. If you're granted…

Think preferences - there’s no way a vc is getting diluted on the back end

They’re not taking new funding though?

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

#92
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What does that have to do with the valuation getting lowered? If a person had 1000 RSUs that were on paper worth 40k, now they are worth 30k. Either way they can’t be sold right now. And I don’t understand how 30k is “worthless”

Because they can't be sold. If Stripe never goes public they will never be worth anything. It's funny money until you sell it.

Right, so 28% is just a funny number.

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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Think preferences - there’s no way a vc is getting diluted on the back end

I'm not familiar with this. Are you referring to common vs preferred shares?

Preferred shares, covenants, etc - there’s no way you can guarantee an employee static dollars without finessing the cap table. The things that keep the compensation static on paper are usually tested and stressed during an acquisition, and a public offering at a valuation lower than the highest priced round - additional terms begin at those points: clawbacks, earn outs, lockups, tips, first rights of refusal, and new things fresh mbas dream up…

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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"CC transactions will migrate over time to less costly rails starting in the next 12-18 months" People have been saying that for decades. And in fact the opposite is happening. Visa/MC raising rates. PayPal raising rates. Volume shifting to more expensive BNPL.

FedNow hasn't been available for decades. It's a real threat to the entire cc ecosystem.

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Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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Journalists don’t really grasp that nuance. ‘Lower Valuation for Popular Company’ is always a good way to get eyeballs.

Sure did grab my eyeball, down round for a company that effectively was invincible--and I met the guy, I met pc (his username here)--but full on unblemished trajectory, totally monotonic. Never heard one bad thing about him, except in my inner monologue like biting the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which I do for everyone, and just barely bad, not morally bad, just unfavorable for me in particu…

Maybe caught your eyeball but not your brain. Your word soup doesn't hide your inability to form coherent thoughts, in fact it highlights it.

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

#97

Remember that Stripe changed its RSU grant structure a year or so ago, so this won’t negatively affect newer employees. Stripe gives out a fixed amount of $$ value of stock each year now. The typical recent senior hire will get around $200k a year in stock. Now that the valuation is lower, they’ll be granted more stock units than before, which is good. Getting granted fewer stock units at a ‘fake’ higher valuation wo…

This is why many Stripes on blind are not angry. They will get more shares next year.

They should still be angry because this company should’ve gone public and made them liquid a year ago.

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

#98
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Frankly, I'd be fucking pissed off about this if I had options.

I'm genuinely curious why you say this. Could you please elaborate? I've only worked at publicly traded companies. I don't understand how this wouldn't be the exact situation you'd want to be in. my understanding is this: 1. If you're granted options at price X, and the new share price is lower than X, you're under no obligation to exercise your options. So no real financial loss or cost to you. 2. If you're granted…

It's designed to screw employees out of upside and they sell it pretending it's employee favorable.

If you reprice equity comp each year then you lose most of the upside.

Compare the two following equity plans:

Example Year 1:

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PLAN 1

FMV: $1

Strike: $1

Total #: 40k ISOs

Vesting: 4yrs

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PLAN 2

FMV: $1

Strike: $1

Total #: 10k ISOs

Vesting: 1yr

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In the second plan you get granted new equity per year targeting some total comp. This means if the equity goes up in value a lot in the first year, when your new amount is recalculated it'll be way less than 10k.

Example Year 2:

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PLAN 1

FMV: $2

Strike: $1

Total #: 40k ISOs (10k vesting in year 2)

Vesting: 1yr into 4yr period

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PLAN 2

FMV: $2

Strike: $2 (new grant)

Total #: 5k ISOs (The 10k from the first year, and now half that # determined by new FMV for a cumulative total of 15k instead of 20k ISOs).

Vesting: 1yr on new grant

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This lets the company keep the majority of the upside, taking it away from employees. It also hurts employees that stay longer or have a longer term interest in the company from capturing the value they helped create.

And the more the company goes up in value, the worse the trade off becomes.

Sure in the case of a crash you may get more stock (maybe assuming they don't reduce that given hard times, target comp is just a target after all - I don't think they commit to it). Typically companies regrant underwater equity in the case of a crash anyway (see peloton). Even in the best case, I'd guess it's unlikely the grants during a down year make up for being excluded from being able to get more at a lower price 5yrs out.

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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how is something worth $200k if you can't sell it?

I assure you, you will have no trouble selling Stripe stock at what its worth. There is a big appetite for Stripe shares in the secondary markets even if the company never goes public.

Many companies actually prohibit employees from selling shares to third party investors (including investors on marketplaces like EquityZen) without board approval.
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