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Poll: Do you expect/want to see salary information in a job ad?

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Re: Poll: Do you expect/want to see salary information in a job ad?

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Post by crummy »

some_random wrote: post #11
wyager wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that nonsensical? Lots of times, the same nominal job might involve vastly varying amounts of responsibility or productivity. I've seen positions where 3X dynamic range would be unreasonably small, e.g. at companies which don't bucket engineering roles into arbitrary seniority brackets.

Surely they would know what level of responsibility they expect if they're posting a job ad?

They might be looking for a developer, and would accept either an intermediate or senior. Presumably the job description would indicate as much.

Re: Poll: Do you expect/want to see salary information in a job ad?

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Post by NonEUCitizen »

For those in California, Assembly Bill 168 was passed in October, 2017, effective January 1, 2018. Section 432.3 was added to the Labor code, which includes:

(c) An employer, upon reasonable request, shall provide the pay scale for a position to an applicant applying for employment.

Source: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

Disclaimer: I don't know if/how that provision may have changed since 2018.

Re: Poll: Do you expect/want to see salary information in a job ad?

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Post by NonEUCitizen »

wyager wrote: post #6
NonEUCitizen wrote: post #2

Has to be a tight range. Some recruiters try to give a non-sensical, meaningless range where the upper bound is close to 3x the lower bound.

How is that nonsensical? Lots of times, the same nominal job might involve vastly varying amounts of responsibility or productivity. I've seen positions where 3X dynamic range would be unreasonably small, e.g. at companies which don't bucket engineering roles into arbitrary seniority brackets.

Variable such as bonuses or stock options / RSUs are not salaries and should be quoted separately.

Re: Poll: Do you expect/want to see salary information in a job ad?

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Post by doktorhladnjak »

I live in a state where salary ranges must be included in any job posting. The reality of it is that many employers still don't comply. Many of those that do give very broad ranges.

Even those that give a salary with a reasonably tight range still never include equity compensation. That makes salary info nearly meaningless.

Re: Poll: Do you expect/want to see salary information in a job ad?

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Post by ruskyhacker »

Yes, but I would be more happy if it wasn't straight up "advertised" in the ad, but was readily answered when asked without expectation.

What?!

Here's my thought - doing it like this it keeps it slightly competitive. Sure if it's easy to ask for the salary range, people can and will ask. But do you want to be fighting loads of people for a particular job due to the dreamers with low skill /chance clogging up the machine because they saw a shiny 180k salary?

Okay, but why readily answered when asked? Because it's a huge time suck. If I have to jump through 11 hoops only to find out it's for 20k less in the 0 hour it's wasting all our time.

Let's not forget, we work for an organization to be paid. At the end of the day the marketing of a job for a held hostage pay range isn't going to fly 9/10 times.

Re: Poll: Do you expect/want to see salary information in a job ad?

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Post by jameshush »

Honestly I don’t mind either way. I know how much FAANG pays, funded startups who have a clue pay the same salaries but have illiquid variable comp through stock. I’m OK doing startup stuff with my startup friends and working at a hyper growth stage company for less liquid comp for no other reason than I think it’s fun. Just like how some people like country music and I like heavy metal, just pure preference.

Now if the company is a big company, not an interesting job, and there’s no salary listed, I’ve played that game before already. I’d rather just grind leetcode and go to Google then apply.

I’d encourage everyone to figure out what kind of role and culture they’d like first, then find the job. You’ll be happier for it, and any company is more than happy to throw a bit extra money at someone who’s a perfect fit.

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