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Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by shreyshnaccount »

georgeplusplus wrote: post #48
shreyshnaccount wrote: post #46

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yes because corporates are pillars of freedom, security and honesty right?

They can go out of business at least and not be a burden to the public anymore. I think the point of the comment was there would be some accountability being for-profit or at least a metric that the bureaucracy is performing correctly. I dont agree with this notion but I wont resort to attacking him like a rabid dog for suggesting such a thing like all the responses seem to do.

not if they are a monopoly. that only leads to crap service. the state-company will be a monopoly. what's the guarantee that a state-company won't instantly ban all competition in every industry? oh they will be elected you say? guess who's making the voting machines.

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by shreyshnaccount »

HeckFeck wrote: post #55
georgeplusplus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can go out of business at least and not be a burden to the public anymore. I think the point of the comment was there would be some accountability being for-profit or at least a metric that the bureaucracy is performing correctly. I dont agree with this notion but I wont resort to attacking him like a rabid dog for suggesting such a thing like all the responses seem to do.

Yeah I get this notion too. Given the relative difference in size and complexity of structure, there is a vast power imbalance between the state and the citizen. There needs to be much more accountability.

agreed, but mega corps aren't really the peak of accountability. i'd argue that a panchayat (local self govt in India) is far more accountable and transparent (tho still far from perfect, and having real problems too) than amazon.

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by bostonsre »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #23
bostonsre wrote: post #6

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He had state secrets on his machine.. why would they need to do this or what would they gain from doing this?

How would they know he had state secrets on his computer? And how could they convince a judge they knew he had those secrets without admitting to illegal activities themselves?

I would assume they would know by doing a standard legal investigation where they get a warrant from the judge and look. I don't know what evidence they gave in the warrant application in this case but usually they have to be more than a blind shot in the dark request.

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by boomboomsubban »

bostonsre wrote: post #73
boomboomsubban wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would they know he had state secrets on his computer? And how could they convince a judge they knew he had those secrets without admitting to illegal activities themselves?

I would assume they would know by doing a standard legal investigation where they get a warrant from the judge and look. I don't know what evidence they gave in the warrant application in this case but usually they have to be more than a blind shot in the dark request.

Thinking they ran an aboveboard investigation of the person they think leaked their surveillance tools is optimistic. Given what I've read about the CIA at that time plotting the assassination of Assange, I don't share your trust.

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Post by goldenkey »

dehrmann wrote: post #44
jdmonty wrote: post #7

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Caveat emptor leaking anything to “journalists”

Caveat narrator. Alternatively, caveat proditor.

It's not like casual secrets are usually leaked.

Trust doesn't mean blindness. If I agree to conceal your secrets and then you tell me you are doing unspeakable acts against me and the rest of the country, why the fuck wouldn't I out you?

All of this trust, honor, integrity humdrum only makes sense when it's reciprocated. These principles are predicated on bidirectionality but for some reason, macho nationalists love to act like these principles are some one-sided blood pact, made in a sacrificial fashion by "real" men.

These agents are able to keep their mouths shut while their soul withers to dust. It's clearly not out of strength, more out of cowardice, ingroup identification, and learned psychopathy.

Lame! Fuck the spooks and the skunks they rode in on!

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by smeagull »

_kbh_ wrote: post #43
smeagull wrote: post #27

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ASD love doing that too. I think they got it from the Americans.

Have we ever seen proof that any intelligence agency has done something like this in the modern era?.

I have no written proof to offer.
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